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The article should be titled the Government of California Outlaws Freelance Work. But this is what progressives and the Democratic party do all the time. They cave into the Unions and pass legislation that ends up hurting the very people they claim to be wanting to help. People should demand that government just gets out of our way. But his is the Republik of Kalifornia, so we know how that goes.


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Freelance jobs are "feudalism," says California Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez.

She persuaded California's legislature to pass a new law reclassifying freelance workers as employees. That means many people who hire them must now give them benefits like overtime, unemployment insurance, etc. Politicians said it would help freelancers a lot.

Of course, much of the media agreed. Vox called it "a victory for workers everywhere"!

Sigh. Young reporters just don't understand that stifling economic freedom always creates nasty side effects.

Actually, more understand now, because they got a very personal lesson. Once the bill passed, Vox media cut hundreds of freelance writing jobs.

When Gonzalez was asked if she felt bad about that, she sneered, those weren't "real jobs."

The arrogance of politicians! People choose jobs. Freelancers like flexibility. Politicians have no right to say certain jobs aren't good enough.

"You're thinking you're helping us, but you're not," says musician Ari Herstand in my new video. He says the anti gig-work law could "crash the California music economy."

Why? Before the law passed, if he played a gig where he'd hire a drummer, bassist and guitar player, "I just cut (each) a check for $200. Now, I have to take that drummer, put him on payroll, W2 him, get workers' comp insurance, unemployment insurance. I have to pay payroll taxes. I also have to now hire a payroll company."


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All to hire musicians for one just night. The paperwork alone might cost more than the music.

The anti-gig-work law originally targeted rideshare companies like Uber and Lyft, because unions claimed the companies abuse drivers.

But now many rideshare drivers are upset because the law takes away their freedom.

"I liked being independent!" said one. "I don't want a boss to tell me when or where to drive."

Herstand says Uber and Lyft drivers would often tell him: "I'm a photographer and this is my fourth side gig. I want to do this when I want to do this, and if now I'm an employee, and I'm W2'd, they're going to dictate my hours. I don't want that. (The law is) preventing us from doing what we want to do."

The law upset independent truck drivers, too. After some nosily drove big rigs in front of the legislature, they got an exemption from the law. Other politically connected professions, like lawyers and realtors, got exemptions as well.

Now Herstand's working on getting an exemption for musicians, too.

"Why is that good law?" I asked him. "An exception for whoever is clever enough to get to the politicians?"

"It's definitely not the solution," laughed Herstand. "'Write us out of this law and help us out? Here's money for your next campaign.' No, that doesn't seem like that's a way to legislate."

But that's how it's often done. The more rules politicians pass, the more money they extract from people who are regulated.

Now other politicians want to copy California's law. New York, New Jersey and Illinois have their own versions of gig economy bills. The House of Representatives wants to nationalize the law. And, this week, Democratic front-runner Joe Biden cluelessly said such a law "will give workers the dignity they deserve."

Democrats do what unions ask them to do. Politico points out that just a few years ago, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo called gig work "a great service for people, giving people jobs. I don't think government should be in the business of trying to restrict job growth." He even joked that Uber drivers might earn more than he does.

But now he wants to outlaw most gig work and calls it "exploitive, abusive!"

It's no surprise that Gonzalez's biggest political donors are unions. She talks a lot about "protecting our union jobs." But now that her bill is killing jobs, she wouldn't agree to an interview.


Neither would the California unions, or any of 75 law professors, political scientists, sociologists, etc., who published a letter in support of the law.

Yes, we contacted all 75.

Herstand says that's because the law now embarrasses its supporters, but politicians won't repeal it because "no politician ever wants to admit they did something wrong."
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Any bets on when the stupidity in California will stop?
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Any bets on when the stupidity in California will stop?
When either an earthquake breaks it off from the land mass, or global warming causes it to be under water.

And maybe not even then.
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The article should be titled the Government of California Outlaws Freelance Work. But this is what progressives and the Democratic party do all the time. They cave into the Unions and pass legislation that ends up hurting the very people they claim to be wanting to help. People should demand that government just gets out of our way. But his is the Republik of Kalifornia, so we know how that goes.




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The government continuously tries to stifle any type of work that does not provide tax money from both sides of the employment contract. The method has changed, but if you look back, independent contractors have been forced into pigeon holes that only benefited the government. Now, add the unions to that list of beneficiaries.

On the conspiracy theorist side, the government can't keep track of a person if they aren't on someone's payroll. They can't keep track of how much you actually make, and from where. They have many ways to track what you spend and where you spend it. These horrible people, depriving the government of their oversight of the populace, not providing data analytics that can be packaged and sold.

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I know this ain't going to be popular opinion but I can see why California did this. Many companies classify certain employees as contractors to avoid paying taxes on those employees and to screw the employee out of any benefits. Its one thing if someone is hired once or twice to do a job.Sure that person should be considered a gig worker.For example the musician in the story who hires bandmates for a one night gig or someone you pay once in a while to mow your lawn. Its a completely different thing when that person is constantly doing the same job over and over again for the same company.For example like the Uber/lyft drivers,Amazon Prime drivers, Fed-Ex Ground truck drivers, janitorial staff for large companies and other workers who regularly do the same job almost every day for the same company. They probably didn't make exceptions to the law because employers will just cut employee hours to exploit any loopholes just like they did with Obama-care(where if a company only had so many full time employees then they didn't have to pay for employee insurance,so those companies just cut the number of hours each employee had).
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When i got laid off from My W2 job Freelance work of all kinds kept me going . STILL keeps me going.
I'm shocked that those media types on the left in California allowed this to happen, there are TONS of creative workers there that live off of that kind of work.
It's insane.

BTW, do the politicians get a W2? Isn't their work "For Hire" "freelance" work by default too?
But i'm sure that's different
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I know this ain't going to be popular opinion but I can see why California did this. Many companies classify certain employees as contractors to avoid paying taxes on those employees and to screw the employee out of any benefits. Its one thing if someone is hired once or twice to do a job.Sure that person should be considered a gig worker.For example the musician in the story who hires bandmates for a one night gig or someone you pay once in a while to mow your lawn. Its a completely different thing when that person is constantly doing the same job over and over again for the same company.For example like the Uber/lyft drivers,Amazon Prime drivers, Fed-Ex Ground truck drivers, janitorial staff for large companies and other workers who regularly do the same job almost every day for the same company. They probably didn't make exceptions to the law because employers will just cut employee hours to exploit any loopholes just like they did with Obama-care(where if a company only had so many full time employees then they didn't have to pay for employee insurance,so those companies just cut the number of hours each employee had).
I believe that there is an IRS rule that states if a person averages more than 20 hours a week for the same company, they are considered an employee of the company and are held to those standards. But from what I hear, the IRS is NOT enforcing this rule. So now California passes another law because the original law is not being enforced.

Question: When are we going to hold ALL branches of government accountable to follow the law? This is like the gun arguments. We don't enforce the laws we have now, so we just pass new ones. Talk about stupid.
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I know this ain't going to be popular opinion but I can see why California did this. Many companies classify certain employees as contractors to avoid paying taxes on those employees and to screw the employee out of any benefits. Its one thing if someone is hired once or twice to do a job.Sure that person should be considered a gig worker.For example the musician in the story who hires bandmates for a one night gig or someone you pay once in a while to mow your lawn. Its a completely different thing when that person is constantly doing the same job over and over again for the same company.For example like the Uber/lyft drivers,Amazon Prime drivers, Fed-Ex Ground truck drivers, janitorial staff for large companies and other workers who regularly do the same job almost every day for the same company. They probably didn't make exceptions to the law because employers will just cut employee hours to exploit any loopholes just like they did with Obama-care(where if a company only had so many full time employees then they didn't have to pay for employee insurance,so those companies just cut the number of hours each employee had).
I can see your perspective on this, but you need to take into consideration the fact that no person who agrees to doing something, has been 'screwed' out of anything, if it wasn't agreed upon during acceptance of the contract.

Let's take an example. My spouse has been involved with cable/fiber linework for over 40 years, as an independent contractor. When he signs a contract, it states what he gets paid, for what work, and when it needs to be finished by. It doesn't say that he will be given health insurance, or vacation time, or even allowances for weather days where he can't work.

So, they aren't 'screwing him' for things that weren't part of his contract in the first place. Saying they screwed him is dishonest and just playing to the masses who want to push the agenda.
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I can see your perspective on this, but you need to take into consideration the fact that no person who agrees to doing something, has been 'screwed' out of anything, if it wasn't agreed upon during acceptance of the contract.

Let's take an example. My spouse has been involved with cable/fiber linework for over 40 years, as an independent contractor. When he signs a contract, it states what he gets paid, for what work, and when it needs to be finished by. It doesn't say that he will be given health insurance, or vacation time, or even allowances for weather days where he can't work.

So, they aren't 'screwing him' for things that weren't part of his contract in the first place. Saying they screwed him is dishonest and just playing to the masses who want to push the agenda.
Nobody has never said they would like to work for less money and no benefits. If that is the field he wants to work in full time and the only way he can work in that field is as a contractor then he is being screwed. I am sure if your spouse could have done the same thing for forty years as an actual employee of that company making the same money but with benefits like insurance and other **** then that's what he would be doing instead.
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I believe that there is an IRS rule that states if a person averages more than 20 hours a week for the same company, they are considered an employee of the company and are held to those standards
I am not sure that is true. Because every Fed-Ex Ground driver that delivers packages to homes and businesses are not actual Fed-Ex employees and they do work longer than 20 hours a week.

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. But from what I hear, the IRS is NOT enforcing this rule. So now California passes another law because the original law is not being enforced.
If it is state law then it means it can be enforced at the state level.

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This is like the gun arguments. We don't enforce the laws we have now, so we just pass new ones. Talk about stupid.
The new gun laws want passed are not bout holding criminals accountable. They want them passed to turn a constitutional right into a state granted privilege and to gradually ban all firearms. They want them passed to make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to exercise their constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
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