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Old 02-27-2020, 02:25 PM
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Never ceases to amaze me how desperately Leftists cling to an article of political propaganda.
Everything I said is fully documented in the Mueller report. If you consider that report to be “political propaganda,” then you’ve really gone off the deep end.
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Trump/Russia has been proved except for triggered maga illiterates.
I suppose it depends upon the (unstated) antecedent.

It has, indeed, been "proved" that Russia involved itself in the 2016 election; and that this was on behalf of Donald Trump.

What has not been proved, however--or even seriously advanced--is the theory that Donald Trump solicited this help.

Note: Donald Trump has his faults--his character flaws are difficult to overlook, in my opinion--but he surely should not be slandered with the accusation (or even implication) that he desired Russian interference in our presidential election.
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I suppose it depends upon the (unstated) antecedent.

It has, indeed, been "proved" that Russia involved itself in the 2016 election; and that this was on behalf of Donald Trump.

What has not been proved, however--or even seriously advanced--is the theory that Donald Trump solicited this help.

Note: Donald Trump has his faults--his character flaws are difficult to overlook, in my opinion--but he surely should not be slandered with the accusation (or even implication) that he desired Russian interference in our presidential election.
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The Trump campaign requested help from the Russian government, the Russian government organized and implemented multiple criminal conspiracies to help the Trump campaign, the Trump campaign knowingly welcomed and used the fruits of those crimes and then Trump tried to cover up and block investigations into those Russian crimes and the interactions between his campaign and the Russians. That’s all very well documented. Saying that it doesn’t fit an arbitrary and vaguely defined non-legal term like “collusion” is just an exercise in covering up Trump’s documented corruption. Arguing that it’s all some sort of unproven conspiracy theory is complete bullshlt.
There is no proof that Trump requested help, unless you count the off-hand remark he made during a rally, when he said "Hey Russia, maybe you can find Hillary's emails"

Question, do you think that anyone running for POTUS has ever asked another country for help? I'll bet they have.
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Trump/Russia has been proved except for triggered maga illiterates.
Like Left wing youtuber progressive Bernie Supporter Jimmy Dore.
like Progressive Writer for the left wing "the Nation" Arron Mate'.
like Progressive News Reporter formally of MSNBC Kyrstal Ball.
like Progressive journalist Max Blumenthal who's worked for the NYtimes and the Nation as well.

And a host of others "triggered maga illiterates" like myself.


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The Trump campaign requested help from the Russian government, the Russian government organized and implemented multiple criminal conspiracies to help the Trump campaign, the Trump campaign knowingly welcomed and used the fruits of those crimes and then Trump tried to cover up and block investigations into those Russian crimes and the interactions between his campaign and the Russians. That’s all very well documented. Saying that it doesn’t fit an arbitrary and vaguely defined non-legal term like “collusion” is just an exercise in covering up Trump’s documented corruption. Arguing that it’s all some sort of unproven conspiracy theory is complete bullshlt.
Mmm Interesting but here the thing CS.
the Russia-Gate Allegations ran like this.
Trump was under the thumb of Putin because Putin had a PeePee video tape and other items to control him.
FALSE. And presented from a Sketchy (illegal? probably) US intel activity. and Former UK spies hired by the Clinton campaign.

That Trump "Colluded" with Putin to get Wikileaks and to print stolen DNC emails.
FALSE. 1st Trump and crew did not collude with Russia. 2nd Trump and crew did not collude with Wikileaks. 3rd the DNC emails were not stolen but leaked to wikileaks!

That Russia worked with Wikileaks.
FALSE! (if true point me the evidence, Not U.S. intel SAID Iraq had mobile anthrax facilities... I mean, Said Wikileaks did)

That Russia swayed the election by overwhelming the internet with bots and internet political Ads via Ukrainian internet masterminds.
FALSE!
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the most interesting thing you mentioned was
"the Russian government organized and implemented multiple criminal conspiracies to help the Trump campaign"
Can you point me to ONE clearly proven instance of this. Just one.
"Russia gov't... organized... implemented... Criminal conspiracy."

Frankly I'm still waiting for that RussiaGate "Bombshell" that's "the beginning of the end" for Trump the news has been talking about for 3 years.
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the most interesting thing you mentioned was
"the Russian government organized and implemented multiple criminal conspiracies to help the Trump campaign"
Can you point me to ONE clearly proven instance of this. Just one.
"Russia gov't... organized... implemented... Criminal conspiracy."
Do you mean other than the actual indictments of Russian government actors for criminal conspiracies issued by Trump’s own justice department?
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Do you mean other than the actual indictments of Russian government actors for criminal conspiracies issued by Trump’s own justice department?
Do you mean the crummy hand full of meme promoters scapegoats from the “Russian troll farm,”?

Or the wild indictments that where never proven in court and never convicted anyone because they never showed up for trial?
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Everything I said is fully documented in the Mueller report. If you consider that report to be “political propaganda,” then you’ve really gone off the deep end.
First you need to drop any pretense that it is the "Mueller" report; he was a figurehead only there to grant some degree of legitimacy to the endeavor. It was the Andrew Weissmann report and should be referred to as such.

Second, any report purporting to be an investigation into foreign influence in our elections would have included deep, deep background on Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele and whether his Russian sources for the Steele Dossier existed and if they were reliable (when he wasn't LOL) . . . Initially, some curiosity about how those entities were contracted -- with attention to Mary Jacoby's 14 hour visit to the White House on April 19th, 2016, one day after "private contractor" access was shut down to FISA 702(16)(17) -- given the fact that PerkinsCoie / Fusion GPS's contract with the DNC/HRC machine began a few days later . . . This brings up the question of whether any illegally retained and exported FISA 702(16)(17) search results were mingled with Russia sourced information from Steele in the work product produced under contact to the DNC/HRC. Of interest also is discovering the precise nature of the classified material the FBI gave to Steele in Rome (and why).

Also, what those entities understood their contractual duties to be and of course, the actual veracity of the final dossier that was produced and how it was used by the DNC and Clinton campaign and then pipelined into the FBI evidence stream and employed to obtain the first FISA warrant and first renewal (awaiting FISA court determinations as to their legality) and subsequent illegal renewals.

The entire predicate for the FBI's investigation and the Weissmann investigation was a hoax and charade.

You referring me, simply from a half-assed appeal to authority fallacy, to the product of that hoax and charade and expecting me to grant it legitimacy, is very foolish on your part.

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First you need to drop any pretense that it is the "Mueller" report; he was a figurehead only there to grant some degree of legitimacy to the endeavor. It was the Andrew Weissmann report and should be referred to as such.

Second, any report purporting to be an investigation into foreign influence in our elections would have included deep, deep background on Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele and the Steele Dossier . . . Initially, some curiosity about how those entities were contracted -- with attention to Mary Jacoby's 14 hour visit to the White House on April 19th, 2016, one day after "private contractor" access was shut down to FISA 702(16)(17) -- given the fact that Fusion GPS's contract with the DNC/HRC machine began a few days later . . . This brings up the question of whether any illegally retained and exported FISA 702(16)(17) search results were mingled with Russia sourced information from Steele in the work product produced under contact to the DNC/HRC. Of interest also is discovering the precise nature of the classified material the FBI gave to Steele in Rome (and why).

Also, what those entities understood their contractual duties to be and of course, the actual veracity of the final dossier that was produced and how it was used by the DNC and Clinton campaign and then pipelined into the FBI evidence stream and employed to obtain the first FISA warrant and first renewal (awaiting FISA court determinations as to their legality) and subsequent illegal renewals.

The entire predicate for the FBI's investigation and the Weissmann investigation was a hoax and charade.

You referring me, simply from a half-assed appeal to authority fallacy, to the product of that hoax and charade and expecting me to grant it legitimacy, is very foolish on your part.

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lol
Rep. Steve Chabot (R-OH): “When you talk about the firm that produced the Steele [dossier], the name of the firm that produced that was Fusion GPS. Is that correct?”

Robert Mueller: “I’m not familiar, uh, uh with that.”

Chabot: “It’s not a trick question. It was Fusion GPS.”
LOL indeed . . .
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