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Default Trump interferes with sentencing of Roger Stone

prosecutors recommended 7-9 years; the justice department has been aware of the progress of the case; today Barr ordered them to lessen the sentence.
4 prosecutors resigned over it.
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This was absolutely shameful....

The DOJ is supposed to be non political, Stone was found guilty of a felony in a court of law and was waiting his sentence....

Util Barr stepped in today to help Trump's buddy.....


Barr should be in jail right now for tampering with the DOJ....
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You’re ignoring the fact that this was all done at Trump’s public direction. The mere fact that the president is publicly criticizing a DOJ sentencing request for one of his former advisors (who has been convicted of a felony) and was also attacking the judge last night, is reprehensible.
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Total BS MSNBC propaganda . . . Of course the "Justice Dept. has been aware of the progress of the case", and much much more.

They didn't resign because they were outraged over the sentence recommendation . . . They ran away because they were part and parcel of the rotten core of the DOJ "Resistance" and the coup.

All this is another crapshow about to be fully exposed that involves Senate Intelligence Committee Vice-Chairman Mark Warner and his contacts with the crooked Russian oligarch connected attorney representing Christopher Steele and the laughable prosecution of Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Security Director James Wolfe for the leak of the unredacted Page FISA warrant to the NY Times.

US Attorney Jessie Lui gave Wolf an unwarranted sweetheat plea that was nothing but a coverup, copping to one count of lying to investigators. There was a near revolt in the FBI when the details of the Wolf sentence recommendation came down in December of '18.

This is why the President withdrew his nomination yesterday of Jessie Liu, for a position at the Treasury Dept. She was scheduled to come before the Senate for confirmation on Thursday of this week, the questioning from the Republicans would have exposed too much too early and she would have needed to perjure herself to keep the coverup of crooked DOJ and Senate Intelligence Committee BS going.

The corrupt Stone prosecution and the corrupt Manafort prosecution using a fake black book and the corrupt General Flynn prosecution is all a hydra of the worst kind of federal law-enforcement abuse . . .

You haven't a clue about what's coming down the pike. The exposure and prosecution of those criminals with badges is going to be glorious!

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Total BS MSNBC propaganda . . . Of course the "Justice Dept. has been aware of the progress of the case", and much much more.

They didn't resign because they were outraged over the sentence recommendation . . . They ran away because they were part and parcel of the rotten core of the DOJ "Resistance" and the coup.

All this is another crapshow about to be fully exposed that involves Senate Intelligence Committee Vice-Chairman Mark Warner and his contacts with the crooked Russian oligarch connected attorney representing Christopher Steele and the laughable prosecution of Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Security Director James Wolfe for the leak of the unredacted Page FISA warrant to the NY Times.

US Attorney Jessie Lui gave Wolf an unwarranted sweetheat plea that was nothing but a coverup, copping to one count of lying to investigators. There was a near revolt in the FBI when the details of the Wolf sentence recommendation came down in December of '18.

This is why the President withdrew his nomination yesterday of Jessie Liu, for a position at the Treasury Dept. She was scheduled to come before the Senate for confirmation on Thursday of this week, the questioning from the Republicans would have exposed too much too early and she would have needed to perjure herself to keep the coverup of crooked DOJ and Senate Intelligence Committee BS going.

The corrupt Stone prosecution and the corrupt Manafort prosecution using a fake black book and the corrupt General Flynn prosecution is all a hydra of the worst kind of federal law-enforcement abuse . . .

You haven't a clue about what's coming down the pike. The exposure and prosecution of those criminals with badges is going to be glorious!

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Total BS MSNBC propaganda . . . Of course the "Justice Dept. has been aware of the progress of the case", and much much more.

They didn't resign because they were outraged over the sentence recommendation . . . They ran away because they were part and parcel of the rotten core of the DOJ "Resistance" and the coup.

All this is another crapshow about to be fully exposed that involves Senate Intelligence Committee Vice-Chairman Mark Warner and his contacts with the crooked Russian oligarch connected attorney representing Christopher Steele and the laughable prosecution of Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Security Director James Wolfe for the leak of the unredacted Page FISA warrant to the NY Times.

US Attorney Jessie Lui gave Wolf an unwarranted sweetheat plea that was nothing but a coverup, copping to one count of lying to investigators. There was a near revolt in the FBI when the details of the Wolf sentence recommendation came down in December of '18.

This is why the President withdrew his nomination yesterday of Jessie Liu, for a position at the Treasury Dept. She was scheduled to come before the Senate for confirmation on Thursday of this week, the questioning from the Republicans would have exposed too much too early and she would have needed to perjure herself to keep the coverup of crooked DOJ and Senate Intelligence Committee BS going.

The corrupt Stone prosecution and the corrupt Manafort prosecution using a fake black book and the corrupt General Flynn prosecution is all a hydra of the worst kind of federal law-enforcement abuse . . .

You haven't a clue about what's coming down the pike. The exposure and prosecution of those criminals with badges is going to be glorious!

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Thanks for the information.

I'll believe the Resistance zealots will be punished for their criminal abuse of their positions when I see it. No matter how richly they deserve punishment deep state activists will protect their own.

The thread has been derailed, deflecting attention from Nancy Pelosi's partisan stunt to distract from Trump's SOTUS with its appeal to black voters.
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prosecutors recommended 7-9 years; the justice department has been aware of the progress of the case; today Barr ordered them to lessen the sentence.
4 prosecutors resigned over it.
Prosecutors ask for more than they think they can get. Defense asks for less. Nothing new here.

How is this President Trump's fault?
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Prosecutors ask for more than they think they can get. Defense asks for less. Nothing new here.

How is this President Trump's fault?
You mean other than Trump tweeting out his objections to the DOJ’s sentencing motion and then the DOJ leadership following Trump’s direction and deciding to reverse course and withdraw their own sentencing recommendation, over the objections of every prosecutor working on the case (including two AUSA’s who were not part of the Mueller team)? And this was before Trump publicly attacked the federal judge handling the case, suggested prosecutorial misconduct, and congratulated Barr for taking over the case from the line prosecutors. All this in a case involving a Trump advisor who has been convicted of a felony for lying to cover up the Trump campaign’s knowledge of and involvement in multiple felonies committed to help the Trump campaign in 2016. Trump’s public involvement in this case is totally unethical and should be unacceptable.
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DOJ to Reduce ‘Extreme and Excessive’ Sentencing Recommendation for Roger Stone; Multiple Attorneys on Case Resign

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The Department of Justice is reportedly stepping in to reduce the sentencing recommendation for former Trump confidant and GOP operative Roger Stone after federal prosecutors announced an unusually stiff prison sentence for process crimes.

Stone last year was found guilty on seven counts of obstruction, witness tampering and making false statements to Congress on charges stemming from former Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation.

In his defense, Stone’s lawyers argued that he did not have an actual inside connection with WikiLeaks and it was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he had lied to Congress.

Not surprisingly, most of the assistant U.S. attorneys and prosecutors on the case—Jonathan Kravis, Michael Marando, Aaron Zelinsky and Adam C. Jed—have impressive liberal credentials. From 2009 to 2010, Kravis served as Associate Counsel to then-President Obama. He is now deputy chief of the fraud and public corruption section in the U.S. attorney’s office for the District of Columbia, where Marando also works.

Zelinsky and Jed are both former members of Mueller’s team. Last year, former Trump campaign adviser Michael Caputo accused Zelinsky of trying to ensnare him in a process crime when he was interviewed by the special counsel team in May of 2018.

On Monday, the anti-Trump lawyers asked Judge Amy Berman Jackson, an Obama appointee, to sentence Stone to between 87 and 108 months in prison.

Their draconian recommendation prompted an outcry from Republicans.

“Lying to Congress: Brennan, Vindman Obstruction of Justice: Hillary deleted emails, wiped/bashed/bit washed hard drives- subpoenaed Lying to the FBI: McCabe Leaking: McCabe, Comey, Clapper, Page Yet Stone may get prison for process crimes as hoax victim!” wrote retired Lt. Col. Jim Hickmen on Twitter.

“Can someone please remind me how many years John Brennan is spending in prison for lying under oath?” asked Republican strategist Andrew Surabian.


“This is completely insane, and these prosecutors should be embarrassed to request something so unjust and outrageous from the court How many years will they ask McCabe to get sentenced to?” tweeted former CIA analyst Buck Sexton. “He lied under oath. But the answer is ZERO.”

President Trump himself decried the sentence, calling it “disgraceful” on Twitter, spurring speculation that a pardon was in the works for his former associate. “This is a horrible and very unfair situation,” the president wrote in another late-night tweet. “The real crimes were on the other side, as nothing happens to them. Cannot allow this miscarriage of justice!”

It appears that the top brass at the DOJ were also appalled at the “extreme, excessive and grossly disproportionate” sentence.

“The Department was shocked to see the sentencing recommendation in the filing in the stone case last night,” a DOJ official told Fox News. “The sentencing recommendation was not what had been briefed to the Department.”

The source told Fox that the DOJ would be clarifying its position later on Tuesday.

“The Department finds seven to nine years extreme, excessive and grossly disproportionate to Mr. Stone’s offenses,” the official said.
The bottom, in red, is the sticking point...

The prosecutors work for the DoJ, yet they didn't even brief their superiors of their recommendation...In other words, they went rogue...

Had they briefed them as they should have, the recommendation would've been lowered before going to the judge, as they've found it "extreme, excessive and grossly disproportionate"...

For comparison, Clinton appointee and his National Security Adviser Sandy Berger actually went into the national Archives and stuffed classified documents into his socks, left the archives and destroyed some of the documents...

...He only got a $50K fine and 100 hours of community service...
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DOJ to Reduce ‘Extreme and Excessive’ Sentencing Recommendation for Roger Stone; Multiple Attorneys on Case Resign

The bottom, in red, is the sticking point...

The prosecutors work for the DoJ, yet they didn't even brief their superiors of their recommendation...In other words, they went rogue...

Had they briefed them as they should have, the recommendation would've been lowered before going to the judge, as they've found it "extreme, excessive and grossly disproportionate"...

For comparison, Clinton appointee and his National Security Adviser Sandy Berger actually went into the national Archives and stuffed classified documents into his socks, left the archives and destroyed some of the documents...

...He only got a $50K fine and 100 hours of community service...
There are numerous reports, from sources far more legitimate than wherever it is that you got this nonsense, that the prosecutors did, in fact, brief DOJ management about their proposed sentencing filing. But, even if there was a dispute internally over the recommendation, that does not justify Trump publicly injecting himself into the case.
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