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The recent 51-49 vote disallowing witnesses for the Senate trial of President Trump appears, at first glance, to be just about as close as possible.

But is it really?

Very often, senators do some horse trading: They may announce to other senators, "If you really need my vote, I will vote this way. But that will upset a majority of my constituents. So if you do not especially need my vote, in order for the measure to pass, I would prefer to vote the other way."

Is it possible, then, that 54 or 55 votes may have been there, if needed--and they just were not needed?
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The recent 51-49 vote disallowing witnesses for the Senate trial of President Trump appears, at first glance, to be just about as close as possible.

But is it really?

Very often, senators do some horse trading: They may announce to other senators, "If you really need my vote, I will vote this way. But that will upset a majority of my constituents. So if you do not especially need my vote, in order for the measure to pass, I would prefer to vote the other way."

Is it possible, then, that 54 or 55 votes may have been there, if needed--and they just were not needed?


The only horse trading I envision the scumbags doing is, "Pay me this much money, and I will switch votes."
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The recent 51-49 vote disallowing witnesses for the Senate trial of President Trump appears, at first glance, to be just about as close as possible.

But is it really?

Very often, senators do some horse trading: They may announce to other senators, "If you really need my vote, I will vote this way. But that will upset a majority of my constituents. So if you do not especially need my vote, in order for the measure to pass, I would prefer to vote the other way."

Is it possible, then, that 54 or 55 votes may have been there, if needed--and they just were not needed?
mitch controls the valve which releases money from a huge PAC. he can turn it off at will. collins is in dire straights in her race according to some annalists and Romney prefered for whatever reason to vote the way he did. I suspect that more Republicans would have prefered to vote for witnesses.
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mitch controls the valve which releases money from a huge PAC. he can turn it off at will. collins is in dire straights in her race according to some annalists and Romney prefered for whatever reason to vote the way he did. I suspect that more Republicans would have prefered to vote for witnesses.
And Chuck controls the valves of the DNC coffers. What is your point?
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Itís a virtual certainty that, but for the fear of political pushback from Trumpís base, the votes for witnesses would have passed, and itís likely that there would be enough votes to meet the required 2/3 majority for conviction. Virtually everyone in the Senate (D and R) knows that Trump is an incompetent, dangerous clown, but Republican members (and even some Dís, like Manchin) are scared to death of pissing off his base, knowing that they cannot win re-election without those folks.
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Itís a virtual certainty that, but for the fear of political pushback from Trumpís base, the votes for witnesses would have passed, and itís likely that there would be enough votes to meet the required 2/3 majority for conviction. Virtually everyone in the Senate (D and R) knows that Trump is an incompetent, dangerous clown, but Republican members (and even some Dís, like Manchin) are scared to death of pissing off his base, knowing that they cannot win re-election without those folks.
So regardless of whatever party, or even whatever subject, the overpaid, power hungry slime in Washington acting as 'representatives of the People', will sell themselves to their party to retain their position of power.

Of course everyone fears Trump, and no one fears Nancy and company. Of course. So, how many of Trump's detractors have committed assisted suicide? How many have been blackballed in all industries?

Gotta love it.
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