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Old 02-03-2020, 02:10 PM
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Polls also predicted someone other than Trump was going to win the election in 2016.

IF (capitalized) those polls were anywhere close to correct, why would the GOP elected Senators risk their re-election by not doing as their constituents wanted?

While we all like to see our beliefs supported by polls (confirmation bias) lets be honest about what the truth is, and what the media tells us.
The nation-wide polls in 2016 were very accurate. In fact, they came closer to the actual vote totals in 2016 than in 2012. There is no basis for completely ignoring national polls from respected pollsters, particularly when multiple polls show similar results, like the polls showing huge majority support for calling additional witnesses. As I noted above, however, Republican Senators are too afraid of crossing Trumpís base to do the right thing and to follow the course favored by large majorities of the overall electorate. Theyíve decided that itís better to whitewash Trumpís corruption than to bring more evidence of it to light.
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The nation-wide polls in 2016 were very accurate. In fact, they came closer to the actual vote totals in 2016 than in 2012. There is no basis for completely ignoring national polls from respected pollsters, particularly when multiple polls show similar results, like the polls showing huge majority support for calling additional witnesses. As I noted above, however, Republican Senators are too afraid of crossing Trumpís base to do the right thing and to follow the course favored by large majorities of the overall electorate. Theyíve decided that itís better to whitewash Trumpís corruption than to bring more evidence of it to light.
Perhaps the Dems can take it back to the house and call witnesses there . . . like they should have done in the first place. I'm tired of the Dems ridiculous argument that they have to call witnesses in the Senate. They CHOSE not to follow the process in the House because they were in to big of a rush to move to the Senate. Sloppy process equals sloppy results. Own it.
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The nation-wide polls in 2016 were very accurate.
And stupid...

The nation doesn't vote for president...The states do...
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Polls also predicted someone other than Trump was going to win the election in 2016.

IF (capitalized) those polls were anywhere close to correct, why would the GOP elected Senators risk their re-election by not doing as their constituents wanted?

While we all like to see our beliefs supported by polls (confirmation bias) lets be honest about what the truth is, and what the media tells us.
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Perhaps the Dems can take it back to the house and call witnesses there . . . like they should have done in the first place. I'm tired of the Dems ridiculous argument that they have to call witnesses in the Senate. They CHOSE not to follow the process in the House because they were in to big of a rush to move to the Senate. Sloppy process equals sloppy results. Own it.
The “process” you describe is a fiction. This is the first Senate impeachment trial in US history with no witnesses.
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The “process” you describe is a fiction. This is the first Senate impeachment trial in US history with no witnesses.
Before you count all of the "firsts" in the Senate, why don't you contemplate the "firsts" in the House...you know...FIRST...

Start with "FIRST impeachment where the attacking party couldn't sway one vote from the opposing party...and in fact, lost not only a vote from their own party, but lost the seat altogether."..
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Before you count all of the "firsts" in the Senate, why don't you contemplate the "firsts" in the House...you know...FIRST...

Start with "FIRST impeachment where the attacking party couldn't sway one vote from the opposing party...and in fact, lost not only a vote from their own party, but lost the seat altogether."..
The fact that Republicans in Congress have chosen party loyalty over the rule of law is nothing to brag about.
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The fact that Republicans in Congress have chosen party loyalty over the rule of law is nothing to brag about.
Projection...

Whenever I want to know what a Democrat does, all I have to do is simply listen to what they accuse Republicans of and I have my answer...
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The fact that Republicans in Congress have chosen party loyalty over the rule of law is nothing to brag about.
Seems to me that the Democrats were the only ones voting for impeachment, while Repubs and Dems voted against it.
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Seems to me that the Democrats were the only ones voting for impeachment, while Repubs and Dems voted against it.
Justin Amash isnít a Democrat. But, like I said, the lockstep abdication of responsibility by the Republicans isnít defensible.
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