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Old 01-28-2020, 03:12 PM
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While I am no fan of Kobe Bryant or the NBA in general, I do feel for the families that lost loved ones in the accident.

As to the accusations about Bryant, I don't know weather or not he was guilty of the alleged incident, but it is a moot point now. As the case against him was dropped, I will give him the benefit of the doubt that it was done for valid reasons. No sense in trying to litigate it now.
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I don't think anyone forgot. Its either you think he is guilty of rape or you think the accusor was trying to scam him out of money for a one night stand. The fact she caused the criminal case to go bust and went after him in a civil court(which has a much lower burden of proof than a criminal court does) seems to prove the latter. Which is why I think if a person is found innocent in a criminal court of something or the case was dropped then it should be illegal to sue that person in civil court the accused was found innocent of or the case dismissed because the charges were dropped.
I read something about her wanting to make her ex-boyfriend jealous by sleeping with Kobe.

I ask myself this, why would a guy like him want to rape a woman?

There are long lines of beautiful women that would be more than happy to give him anything he wanted.

For him to have to rape a woman, he would have to be some kind of twisted psychopath.

I don't think we can make that assumption.
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I read something about her wanting to make her ex-boyfriend jealous by sleeping with Kobe.

I ask myself this, why would a guy like him want to rape a woman?

There are long lines of beautiful women that would be more than happy to give him anything he wanted.

For him to have to rape a woman, he would have to be some kind of twisted psychopath.

I don't think we can make that assumption.
Kobe was an alpha male. No doubt. And consensual or not, the sex did happen. Unless one was there, I doubt we can make any assumptions about what he was thinking that night.

He was married, it was wrong. Those are the facts of which we know and can take our measure of him.

Again my opinion;
One of the most vile things a man can do is rape a woman.
One of the most dishonest things a man can do is cheat on his wife.
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Why are you pressing this?
The thread is about Bryant allegedly raping someone.
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First you imply the malice motives of the Victim
Alleged victim.It was not proven in a criminal court that he raped her.



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and now you suggest I want a rapist to go free?

You were the one who said it was best for both of them that it was settled in civil court.


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In a he said she said, whom can we, as outsiders believe with any certainty? The guy we like or the victim with whom we hold sympathy?
I don't like either of them, nor do I hate either of them. However I do realize that just because someone claims they were raped doesn't make it so and that some people will make make false accusations because they hold a grudge, want money or some other reason.

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I'm just saying a settlement between aggravates in a civil court allows the establishment of guilt and reparations made. It' s an argument between the two of them. Both damaged but able to move on. The world now knows and can stop speculating.

A civil case is not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.So the world doesn't know anything.

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As outsiders we are but mere observers, not affected participants.
As for the bolded, you make an unjust assumption of her motives. That she was in it for the money o she would have put his ass in jail. Not necessarily so. You might try her shoe on your foot.
She cause the criminal trial against him to go bust and sue him in civil court. That sounds like someone trying to scam money instead of trying to get justice.
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I read something about her wanting to make her ex-boyfriend jealous by sleeping with Kobe.

I ask myself this, why would a guy like him want to rape a woman?

There are long lines of beautiful women that would be more than happy to give him anything he wanted.

For him to have to rape a woman, he would have to be some kind of twisted psychopath.

I don't think we can make that assumption.
Which if that was the case then I would think there would more accusers.
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In case we should forget. While he was a legend in his sport, there are huge marks against the man. Of course Kimmel gets all emotional over Bryant. Seems he did forget.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-b...alf-confession
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The thread is about Bryant allegedly raping someone.

Alleged victim.It was not proven in a criminal court that he raped her.






You were the one who said it was best for both of them that it was settled in civil court.




I don't like either of them, nor do I hate either of them. However I do realize that just because someone claims they were raped doesn't make it so and that some people will make make false accusations because they hold a grudge, want money or some other reason.




A civil case is not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.So the world doesn't know anything.



She cause the criminal trial against him to go bust and sue him in civil court. That sounds like someone trying to scam money instead of trying to get justice.
Why do you insist on blaming the woman, the victim. You have no way of understanding her pain, her motives, her suffering, her fears.

Much less her ultimate reasoning.

Neither do I which is why I maintain a complete lack of interest in your cruel, and rather sexist judgmental position.

If she was a correspondent explain the vaginal tears, the bruises on her person. That's not typical of consensual sex. And yet you seek to condemn.

Your civil trial defense is false. They are as real and consequential as a criminal one. Most judges will not hear one if there isn't true and solid evidence of a damaged party,
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Because although their innocence was not proven, neither was their guilt.

The assumption of innocence prevails. Under our criminal system, innocence is presumed and need not be proven.
However, under civil law damages for action, negligent or intentional, can be awarded without proving a commission of a crime.
Yes, it is the magic loophole to enrich bottom feeders in the justice system. A wrongdoing involves corroborating evidence, or it is simply a "he said, she said" event. My opinion, and nothing will change it, so I would not continue with more clarifications.
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Yes, it is the magic loophole to enrich bottom feeders in the justice system. A wrongdoing involves corroborating evidence, or it is simply a "he said, she said" event. My opinion, and nothing will change it, so I would not continue with more clarifications.
I guess then, I am, by you definition, a bottom feeder. My business partners ruined the business, left me holding the bag to the tune of over $100K. It was a he said she said case. I met them in court, they lost. It cost them over $600K and I got nothing but a clear name.
No loophole involved.

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Why do you insist on blaming the woman, the victim. You have no way of understanding her pain, her motives, her suffering, her fears.
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Again its alleged victim. Bryant was never found guilty in criminal court of raping her. Are you telling me that you believe every accusation of rape someone makes? Do you believe the accusations against Brett Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas, and Donald Trump?

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Much less her ultimate reasoning.
So she thought it was best to let a rapist go free and potentially rape other women?

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Neither do I which is why I maintain a complete lack of interest in your cruel, and rather sexist judgmental position.
There is nothing cruel or sexist about my position. The fact is she tanked the criminal case against Bryant and went after him in civil court where the standards of proof are much lower. That is highly suspicious.That says she was after solely for money not justice


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If she was a correspondent explain the vaginal tears, the bruises on her person. That's not typical of consensual sex. And yet you seek to condemn.
Its not proof of rape.The bruises could have came from anywhere. You should know that.

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Your civil trial defense is false. They are as real and consequential as a criminal one. Most judges will not hear one if there isn't true and solid evidence of a damaged party
Again the standards of guilt in a civil trial are much lower than that of a criminal trial. The standards used is civil court to find someone guilty would not work in a criminal court. Its why when law enforcement confiscates someone's money and assets they tie it up in civil court because the standards of guilt are much lower.
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