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I don’t understand why you people have so much difficulty understanding the difference between pressuring the Ukrainians to clean up their government (a well-documented and official US and international policy goal) and pressuring the Ukrainians to engage in an off-books private smear campaign to damage your chief political opponent (in direct contradiction with publicized US policy).
In contrast it's easy to understand, and document, the Resistance zealotry driving the impeachment frenzy, impeachment and disqualification is their only shot at stopping Trump from being reelected.

Biden didn't pressure the Ukrainians to "clean up" their government, he blackmailed them into firing a specific prosecutor who not by coincidence could threaten his son's gravey train, influence peddling. Getting the Ukrainians to clean up their government involves things like warning the newly elected president he was surrounded by the same corrupt officials as the previous administration, see the phone call transcript.
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The Trump kids are doing business with dozens of companies far worse.
Let's hear about them. If anything shady was going on, it would be 24/7 MSM news.
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Let's hear about them. If anything shady was going on, it would be 24/7 MSM news.
See post 60 in this thread. There’s a link there to an article discussing the involvement of the Trumps with a notorious money laundering front for the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

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Still, the Trump firm’s relationship with Iran seems almost inevitable, given the type of business it has pursued since it was nearly bankrupted by the 2009 financial crisis and various business missteps. Over the past decade, Trump’s business focussed on providing its name, for a large fee, to those operating in the shadows of the global economy. These were people and businesses who were unable—or unwilling—to work with the vast majority of international companies which demand comprehensive due diligence. A remarkable number of Trump’s business partners met one or more of the warning signs of troubling business practices: they had been investigated or convicted of fraud or other economic crimes; they were government officials in a position to abuse their power for financial gain; or they were secretive entities, hidden behind shell companies.
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See post 60 in this thread. There’s a link there to an article discussing the involvement of the Trumps with a notorious money laundering front for the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

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and Trump had leader of the Revolutionary Guard killed? Solemani was probably investigating Trumps corruption, ya think?

That is PROOF that Trump is colluding with Iran. I guess this will be

the new impeachment mantra. Do you think they will bring it up before the election?
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and Trump had leader of the Revolutionary Guard killed.

That is PROOF that Trump is colluding with Iran. I guess this will be

the new impeachment mantra. Do you think they will bring it up before the election?
The issue isn’t collusion. The issue is the willingness of the Trump organization to work with anyone willing to pay them, with no due diligence and without regard to the source of their money. They have pretty clearly made millions over the last decade from criminal organizations and corrupt governments.

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One foreign deal, a stalled 2011 plan to build a Trump Tower in Batumi, a city on the Black Sea in the Republic of Georgia, has not received much journalistic attention. But the deal, for which Trump was reportedly paid a million dollars, involved unorthodox financial practices that several experts described to me as “red flags” for bank fraud and money laundering . .

In 2010, when a Trump Organization executive, Michael Cohen, began negotiating with the Silk Road Group about licensing Trump’s name for the Batumi tower, Ablyazov was facing eleven lawsuits in the U.K. The Kazakh government, which had indeed seized control of B.T.A. Bank, had sued him to reclaim ten billion dollars that he had allegedly siphoned out of the country. The Financial Times covered the case extensively, as did the Times, which described “a scheme by B.T.A.’s former chairman, Mukhtar Ablyazov, to direct between $8 billion and $12 billion worth of B.T.A. loans—about half of the bank’s loan book—to companies that he secretly controlled.” The article noted that Ablyazov was renting “a 15,000-square-foot mansion” in London.

It would have taken only a Google search for the Trump Organization to discover that the Silk Road Group had received much of its funding from B.T.A. Bank, which, at the time of the Batumi deal, was mired in one of the largest fraud cases in recent history. The Silk Road Group had even been business partners with the central figure in the scandal: Ablyazov and the Silk Road Group were two of the owners of a bank in Georgia. I asked Cohen, who visited Georgia with Trump, if he had been concerned about the Silk Road Group’s connection to B.T.A. Bank. “I didn’t even know that B.T.A. was involved in this entire scenario up until the moment you told me,” he said. He added that he was not aware of any information about how the tower would be funded—or even “if there was going to be any funding at all.” He went on, “We had not gotten to that stage of the process. Remember, this was a licensing deal. The financing of the project was the responsibility of the licensee”—the Silk Road Group.

I recently spoke with John Madinger, a retired U.S. Treasury official and I.R.S. special agent, who used to investigate financial crimes. He is the author of “Money Laundering: A Guide for Criminal Investigators.” When I told him what Cohen had said to me, he responded, “No, no, no! You’ve got to do your due diligence. You shouldn’t do a financial transaction with funds that appear to stem from unlawful activity. That’s like saying, ‘I don’t care if Pablo Escobar is my secret business partner.’ You have to care—otherwise, you’re at risk of violating laws against money laundering.”
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The issue isn’t collusion. The issue is the willingness of the Trump organization to work with anyone willing to pay them, with no due diligence and without regard to the source of their money. They have pretty clearly made millions over the last decade from criminal organizations and corrupt governments.



https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...-of-corruption
Well then I guess they need to go after Trump for that now.

Obviously it's an open and shut case for you and many others.

I'll wait for the trial, and the other sides of the issue.
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