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They said they will retaliate. I guess they don't want their oil refineries, or nuclear facilities anymore.
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They said they will retaliate. I guess they don't want their oil refineries, or nuclear facilities anymore.
If they do retaliate then hopefully Trump will use our military to bomb the crap out of Iran until they stay down and that's it. None of this lets fix your **** we bombed, set up a intern government and have our guys protect you until you can get back on your feet nonsense that they are trying to do with Iraq and Afghanistan.
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If they do retaliate then hopefully Trump will use our military to bomb the crap out of Iran until they stay down and that's it. None of this lets fix your **** we bombed, set up a intern government and have our guys protect you until you can get back on your feet nonsense that they are trying to do with Iraq and Afghanistan.
I wouldn't doubt if Obama is planning a trip to Iran to help them strategize.
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If they do retaliate then hopefully Trump will use our military to bomb the crap out of Iran until they stay down and that's it. None of this lets fix your **** we bombed, set up a intern government and have our guys protect you until you can get back on your feet nonsense that they are trying to do with Iraq and Afghanistan.
Trump has always railed against our ME strategy of shock and awe and occupy forever as practiced by Bush43 and Obama 44. Our attempts to nation building in Islamic territories have been total failures. Repeating such folly is stupid and ,,,;costly of treasure and blood.

If we do go too war with Iran, I doubt President Trump wants a 20 year occupational result on his resume.' It will be unrelenting attacks until they sue for peace. We walk away.

Then let them kill each other sorting it out.

Meanwhile, no tribute, no American military losses, and no nuclear capability
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Trump has always railed against our ME strategy of shock and awe and occupy forever as practiced by Bush43 and Obama 44. Our attempts to nation building in Islamic territories have been total failures. Repeating such folly is stupid and ,,,;costly of treasure and blood.

If we do go too war with Iran, I doubt President Trump wants a 20 year occupational result on his resume.' It will be unrelenting attacks until they sue for peace. We walk away.

Then let them kill each other sorting it out.

Meanwhile, no tribute, no American military losses, and no nuclear capability
That's the way I see it...

Bush quagmired Iraq until a report came out saying the only way to finish this was to "Go big, go long, or go home"...Bush initiated the former (The "Surge"), and wiped out a vast amount of the enemy...

So the lesson learned should be to start with a "surge" and don't stop until the mission is accomplished...
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I am hearing the Iraqi parliament may ask the US to leave. A grand idea we ought to take them up on immediately.
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Trump has always railed against our ME strategy of shock and awe and occupy forever as practiced by Bush43 and Obama 44. Our attempts to nation building in Islamic territories have been total failures. Repeating such folly is stupid and ,,,;costly of treasure and blood.

If we do go too war with Iran, I doubt President Trump wants a 20 year occupational result on his resume.' It will be unrelenting attacks until they sue for peace. We walk away.

Then let them kill each other sorting it out.

Meanwhile, no tribute, no American military losses, and no nuclear capability


Do you think Iran is stupid enough to go to war with us? Their economy is already sunk. A few surgical industrial strikes, and they will be decimated economically. And the people have already been uprising.

I agree that an Iran war would end up just like Iraq.
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Well, not to worry. Peace is on the horizon. Hollywood is apologizing for Trumps actions, and begging for their lives to be spared.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...170243104.html
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Do you think Iran is stupid enough to go to war with us? Their economy is already sunk. A few surgical industrial strikes, and they will be decimated economically. And the people have already been uprising.

I agree that an Iran war would end up just like Iraq.
The people of Iran may want change. But, if we attack them, nationalism will swell and the public opinion will most likely back the Ayatollah's.

I'm not saying we should back off, just don't expect much help from the inside.

Like most Arab nations, the people of Iran do not think like us. Do not have the same moralities or values. They have been told for decades the USA is their enemy. That will be proven true in their minds, when we start dropping ordinance on their population.

We may have to attack them. Surgical strikes on their infrastructure, military and suspected nuclear sites is the most we should ever do. And then leave.

The ugliness we now see may well endure post bellum. But if we occupy, the cost in blood and treasure will yield us nothing but grief. That's what 20 years of occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan have created. Please, let us not do that again.

Remember that our own revolution was supported by less than 30% of the population. Only God's grace and superior leadership made it a success. Yes, the French helped but 1) they were invited and 2) England was their enemy.

What providence that the colonist, seeking a new form of governance were able to succeed. Sadly we have lost that which our Founders gave us for the same reasons that the Iranians, and other Arab nations, will fail.

Democracy fails because it falls to the human condition, every time it is tried.
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