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You're kidding, right?...

Ummm...The hostages were freed milliseconds after he became president!!!!...



He didn't "listen" to any friggin' advisors...Iran already kowtowed to Reagan the very same day he was inaugurated...
oh I'm sure it was his expertise in that half-day on the job

he never attacked Iran or made them pay for murdering 240 something UNITED STATES MARINES.
never ever
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[quote=FrancSevin;982485]What some believe is not always the facts. But they believe it anyway. And it makes their postings un-credible.

Iran has asked for tribute of it's neighbors and the western world for decades.

Obama sent them planeloads of unmarked cash. Hoping for peace. And the can was tossed down the road to the next President.

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jfc, tonto, even you can't be that stupid.
as part of the peace agreement, we released their own money to them. for one thing, they had loaned the UK some money and we blocked it from being released. wherever they had money in the bank we had done the same.

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Killing their number three man should have gotten that point across. Bluster all they want, the world knows Iran cannot respond in kind.
it would be like a foreign country killing mike Pompeo or colin Powel when he was in office. it's against our treaties and the geneva convention to try to assassinate a member of the administration of another country.
the guy killed many westerners but during regular state military actions. he even killed isis. not that he was a hero. just what trump did was dumb, w/o reason and made Americans less safe.

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Someone once commented having the worlds biggest and best military is a useless expense if you are afraid to use it. Proportional response has failed. Time we just grab the can and crush it.
we been crushin' that can for a long old time, Pocahontas.
the us is the reason iran is so fvcked up in the first place or did you forget the coup we effected that got the iatola pushed into power in the first place with a revolution against our cruel azzhole buddy?
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www.commonsense.com.......


If you think that level of negotiation was done in minutes, you need to change your medication Manitou.....
I'll go with what is more plausible: The Iranians waited for Reagan to win, so they could poke further at the milquetoast, Carter.

The stupid is strong with your source.
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Do you think Iran is stupid enough to go to war with us? Their economy is already sunk. A few surgical industrial strikes, and they will be decimated economically. And the people have already been uprising.

I agree that an Iran war would end up just like Iraq.
The notion of Iran and the American left can take us on and win is a joke. We have more aircraft on board our 11 carriers than Iran has in total and their navy consists of 6 or 7 frigates and corvettes.

I think the people will be with us, not the Ayatollahs.
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That is a rather weird version of truth.
Obama did not get us out of Iraq

Or Afghanistan
Wow, you are wrong again.....

Another Trumplican with his own version of "facts".....


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What some believe is not always the facts. But they believe it anyway. And it makes their postings un-credible.

Iran has asked for tribute of it's neighbors and the western world for decades.

Obama sent them planeloads of unmarked cash. Hoping for peace. And the can was tossed down the road to the next President.

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jfc, tonto, even you can't be that stupid.
This line alone removes any credibility of your post (as though you had any). Grow up.

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as part of the peace agreement, we released their own money to them. for one thing, they had loaned the UK some money and we blocked it from being released. wherever they had money in the bank we had done the same.
Yeah, that's smart. Send billions of dollars to the largest state sponsor of terrorism. I don't care whose money it was, Iran will and has used it to prop up their terrorist cells around the world. Stupid move.

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it would be like a foreign country killing mike Pompeo or colin Powel when he was in office. it's against our treaties and the geneva convention to try to assassinate a member of the administration of another country.
the guy killed many westerners but during regular state military actions. he even killed isis. not that he was a hero. just what trump did was dumb, w/o reason and made Americans less safe.
Your analogy only works if Pompeo or Powel were engaged in terrorism. The fact that Solieman was in Iraq (you may of heard of it that the United States in involved in Military action in the country) leading a terrorism force. Given that, he was fair game. Unless you believe that we should check the nationality of all fighters in the region before we shoot them to make sure they are not from a foreign nation.


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we been crushin' that can for a long old time, Pocahontas.
the us is the reason iran is so fvcked up in the first place or did you forget the coup we effected that got the iatola pushed into power in the first place with a revolution against our cruel azzhole buddy?
You have got to be one of the most vile people to ever grace this board. I hope and pray that you find peace in your life and actually practice the teachings of the Bible that you proclaim to believe in. Your hatred of everyone with whom you disagree is quite evident and is blinding you to the truth.
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If you think that level of negotiation was done in minutes, you need to change your medication Manitou.....
Maybe negotiations are not done in minutes, but decisions ARE made in mere minutes. Iran knew they could not get over on Reagan.

Had he not won, Iran most likely would have made a different decision.
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Wow, you are wrong again.....

Another Trumplican with his own version of "facts".....


Educate yourself:


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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...1Za3JcbiExOSpG
I am educated. Also aware of realities. Whilst you recognize the symbolism of pulling out, I recognize that at the end of his terms, we were still there.

Having taken the troops out prematurely, we had to re-enter under his Administration. So he did not get us out of Iraq.


And, he most certainly did not get us out of Afghanistan. Both campaign promises he had 8 years and the entire USA military to fulfill.

I'm saying therefore, that he did not get us our of Iraq.

From the HILL.

Be careful how you leave.

That’s the advice Ryan Crocker, President Obama’s ambassador to Afghanistan in 2011–12, offers as the White House seeks to pull the curtains on Obama’s two terms by removing U.S. troops from Afghanistan.





It was principally Obama’s opposition to the Iraq War that rallied many voters in 2008, but others, especially liberal Democrats, also hoped he would end the war in
Afghanistan.

But with less than a year left in the White House, Obama and the United States have not fully disentangled from either conflict — and the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has emerged as a new threat.

Some who served the president at the highest levels don’t think history will render a favorable verdict on his handling of Iraq and Afghanistan.

“I think it’s going to be a pretty bleak legacy — not all of it by any means the responsibility of the administration, but there is a lot of responsibility there,” Crocker told The Hill in an interview last month.

Defenders of Obama’s legacy argue that the deck was stacked against his administration.

“I think we got to realize, too, this president inherited more problems than any president in the United States post-World War II, and I think maybe in a hundred years,” said Chuck Hagel











, a former Defense secretary who at times tangled with Obama.

“Franklin Roosevelt had problems, but his were contained in the United States. This president inherited two wars, the largest global financial disaster since the Great Depression,” Hagel told The Hill.





Finishing the job

Obama withdrew all U.S. forces from Iraq in December 2011, the same year in which he ordered the raid that killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.

After promising in 2008 to “finish the job against al Qaeda” in Afghanistan, he declared an end to combat in that country in 2014 as al Qaeda’s leadership suffered devastating attacks.

But the picture got cloudier from there.

The rise of ISIS led to the re-introduction of U.S. troops to Iraq, which now number about 3,700. The terrorist group has been able to carry out attacks in Europe while inspiring an attack in the United States.

In Afghanistan, plans to reduce the U.S. presence to a skeleton force defending the American embassy in Kabul have been postponed. Since the president declared the combat mission over, there have been at least 14 American troops killed in combat.

Obama’s decision to withdraw troops from Iraq has received significant criticism, especially in retrospect.

“He decided to pull everybody out once the surge had won at great sacrifice and squandered all the gains there, which then gave birth to ISIS,” Sen. John McCain











(R-Ariz.), one of Obama’s fiercest critics, told The Hill.

The administration maintains that the presence of U.S. troops would not have changed the dynamic in Iraq that led to the rise of ISIS.

“It was the failure of [Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki] and Iraq’s various political factions to govern in the spirit of national unity that led to an escalation of sectarian tensions,” Ben Rhodes, deputy national security adviser for strategic communications, told The Hill.

“Our troops alone would not have filled that vacuum, and in fact, might have gotten caught in the middle of the vacuum,” he said.

Advisers also say Obama was hamstrung on Iraq by a 2008 agreement negotiated by the Bush administration to pull out all troops. Attempts to prod the Iraqi parliament toward negotiating a new agreement were also doomed to failure, they say.

Obama “was ambivalent but he did try to keep troops on,” said Jim Jeffrey, the president’s ambassador to Iraq at the time.

“He could have tried harder, but he would have run up against [one] underlying thing. ... People don’t really want American ground troops.”
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I am educated. Also aware of realities. Whilst you recognize the symbolism of pulling out, I recognize that at the end of his terms, we were still there.

Having taken the troops out prematurely, we had to re-enter under his Administration. So he did not get us out of Iraq.


And, he most certainly did not get us out of Afghanistan. Both campaign promises he had 8 years and the entire USA military to fulfill.

I'm saying therefore, that he did not get us our of Iraq.

From the HILL.

Be careful how you leave.

That’s the advice Ryan Crocker, President Obama’s ambassador to Afghanistan in 2011–12, offers as the White House seeks to pull the curtains on Obama’s two terms by removing U.S. troops from Afghanistan.





It was principally Obama’s opposition to the Iraq War that rallied many voters in 2008, but others, especially liberal Democrats, also hoped he would end the war in
Afghanistan.

But with less than a year left in the White House, Obama and the United States have not fully disentangled from either conflict — and the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has emerged as a new threat.

Some who served the president at the highest levels don’t think history will render a favorable verdict on his handling of Iraq and Afghanistan.

“I think it’s going to be a pretty bleak legacy — not all of it by any means the responsibility of the administration, but there is a lot of responsibility there,” Crocker told The Hill in an interview last month.

Defenders of Obama’s legacy argue that the deck was stacked against his administration.

“I think we got to realize, too, this president inherited more problems than any president in the United States post-World War II, and I think maybe in a hundred years,” said Chuck Hagel











, a former Defense secretary who at times tangled with Obama.

“Franklin Roosevelt had problems, but his were contained in the United States. This president inherited two wars, the largest global financial disaster since the Great Depression,” Hagel told The Hill.





Finishing the job

Obama withdrew all U.S. forces from Iraq in December 2011, the same year in which he ordered the raid that killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.

After promising in 2008 to “finish the job against al Qaeda” in Afghanistan, he declared an end to combat in that country in 2014 as al Qaeda’s leadership suffered devastating attacks.

But the picture got cloudier from there.

The rise of ISIS led to the re-introduction of U.S. troops to Iraq, which now number about 3,700. The terrorist group has been able to carry out attacks in Europe while inspiring an attack in the United States.

In Afghanistan, plans to reduce the U.S. presence to a skeleton force defending the American embassy in Kabul have been postponed. Since the president declared the combat mission over, there have been at least 14 American troops killed in combat.

Obama’s decision to withdraw troops from Iraq has received significant criticism, especially in retrospect.

“He decided to pull everybody out once the surge had won at great sacrifice and squandered all the gains there, which then gave birth to ISIS,” Sen. John McCain











(R-Ariz.), one of Obama’s fiercest critics, told The Hill.

The administration maintains that the presence of U.S. troops would not have changed the dynamic in Iraq that led to the rise of ISIS.

“It was the failure of [Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki] and Iraq’s various political factions to govern in the spirit of national unity that led to an escalation of sectarian tensions,” Ben Rhodes, deputy national security adviser for strategic communications, told The Hill.

“Our troops alone would not have filled that vacuum, and in fact, might have gotten caught in the middle of the vacuum,” he said.

Advisers also say Obama was hamstrung on Iraq by a 2008 agreement negotiated by the Bush administration to pull out all troops. Attempts to prod the Iraqi parliament toward negotiating a new agreement were also doomed to failure, they say.

Obama “was ambivalent but he did try to keep troops on,” said Jim Jeffrey, the president’s ambassador to Iraq at the time.

“He could have tried harder, but he would have run up against [one] underlying thing. ... People don’t really want American ground troops.”

Maybe Davey didn't realize that we went back into Iraq while Obama was still in office.

We all know that Obama did pull troops out of Iraq, but it doesn't count when you pull out prematurely, things go bad, and you have to go back in.

That would be called failure if Trump did it. But it was called triumph under Obama.
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Maybe Davey didn't realize that we went back into Iraq while Obama was still in office.

We all know that Obama did pull troops out of Iraq, but it doesn't count when you pull out prematurely, things go bad, and you have to go back in.

That would be called failure if Trump did it. But it was called triumph under Obama.
All I know it Obama took them out because the Iraqis wanted it so, not because he wanted it so. And then he had to bring them back in both at great cost in blood and treasure.

President Trump may heed the Iraqi parliament's wishes. If so, can he take credit for removing us from Iraq?

I would think not. And I'm betting the lefties would not accept it either.

That said, I do wish we could leave that sh!t hole to the people who made it so. The sectarian violence will keep them occupied for a long while, without wasting our money....; and our people.
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