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President Donald Trump on Wednesday called Turkey’s offensive in Syria “a bad idea” that the United States did not support, hours after Turkey launched a long-planned military offensive in northeastern Syria.

"The United States does not endorse this attack and has made it clear to Turkey that this operation is a bad idea," Trump said in a statement.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced via Twitter on Wednesday that the incursion has begun, with a mission to "prevent the creation of a terror corridor across our southern border." The Turkish military is targeting the Syrian-Kurdish fighters that helped the United States defeat ISIS.

The anticipated move comes just days after Trump's announcement that American troops would withdraw from the region and hand control to the Kurds' sworn enemy, the Turkish government.

Mustafa Bali, a spokesman for the Syrian Democratic Forces, a U.S.-backed military alliance led by the mostly-Kurdish militia YPG, confirmed that "Turkish warplanes have started to carry out airstrikes on civilian areas" in northeast Syria.

"There is a huge panic among people of the region," Bali tweeted Wednesday.

Trump had for days faced harsh criticism from across the political spectrum after the White House announced Sunday night that the United States would stand aside while Turkey proceeded with an operation in northern Syria. Republican senators who usually stand in lock step with Trump said the move amounted to abandoning Syrian Kurdish fighters who had fought ISIS alongside American troops.

Trump signaled Monday he was listening to the criticism. "I told Turkey if they do anything that is not humane, Turkey will suffer a very decimated economy," Trump told reporters at the White House. "If Turkey does anything that they are not supposed to do, we will hit them so hard in their economy.”


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This one is on Trump. His military advisers had told him that Turkey would move to wipe out the Kurds if the US withdrew from the region. I agree that we cannot keep fighting endless wars. However, we CANNOT abandon people that risked everything to fight ISIS side by side with the US.

Trump should immediately phone Erdogan and tell him that any attack on the Kurds will draw a swift and harsh military response from the United States and back it up. If we abandon the Kurds, it will be tough to ever again convince a regional ally to fight with the US as they will not trust that we will not do the same to them.

Someone needs to get to Trump and talk some sense into him on this one.
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This one is on Trump. His military advisers had told him that Turkey would move to wipe out the Kurds if the US withdrew from the region. I agree that we cannot keep fighting endless wars. However, we CANNOT abandon people that risked everything to fight ISIS side by side with the US.

Trump should immediately phone Erdogan and tell him that any attack on the Kurds will draw a swift and harsh military response from the United States and back it up. If we abandon the Kurds, it will be tough to ever again convince a regional ally to fight with the US as they will not trust that we will not do the same to them.

Someone needs to get to Trump and talk some sense into him on this one.
I agree completely!

And we should not need to fight an "endless" war there. A few cruise missiles should do the job.

Turkey may pretend to be an ally of the US--certainly, it is a NATO member--but I do not consider a country headed by an authoritarian, such as Recep Tayyip Erdogan, to be a friend of the US.
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the Syrain Army should protect the Kurds. and have promised to do so.
the Assad has INVITED the Russians to help over the years and THEY have helped Syria rid itself of Isis. If they are willing to help Syrian kurds they should do so as well.

We were never asked to invade-cough- i mean "help" Syria by Assad... just the opposite.
Also can someone tell me when Congress approved sending troops into Syria?
Or when Congress approved starting a shooting war with Turkey for invading neighboring countries?
I missed those votes?

And when did the president get the power to single handled send troops into and fire missiles at foreign countries armies?
What part of the constitution is that again please?
the 2nd amendment... maybe?


the only strait answers here is that
neither Assad or the congress ever approved troops in Syria ever
so legally we should not have troops there at all.
And to Send troops against foreign nations that have not fired at us, or our official allies, is an act of war that must be approved by congress.

all hand waving and chest beating is unconstitutional BS.
We are not the world police.
Even though many on the right LOVE to think and act we should send troops/missles (go to war) to right various wrongs willy nilly all over the world.
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the Syrain Army should protect the Kurds. and have promised to do so.
the Assad has INVITED the Russians to help over the years and THEY have helped Syria rid itself of Isis. If they are willing to help Syrian kurds they should do so as well.

We were never asked to invade-cough- i mean "help" Syria by Assad... just the opposite.
Also can someone tell me when Congress approved sending troops into Syria?
Or when Congress approved starting a shooting war with Turkey for invading neighboring countries?
I missed those votes?

And when did the president get the power to single handled send troops into and fire missiles at foreign countries armies?
What part of the constitution is that again please?
the 2nd amendment... maybe?


the only strait answers here is that
neither Assad or the congress ever approved troops in Syria ever
so legally we should not have troops there at all.
And to Send troops against foreign nations that have not fired at us, or our official allies, is an act of war that must be approved by congress.

all hand waving and chest beating is unconstitutional BS.
We are not the world police.
Even though many on the right LOVE to think and act we should send troops/missles (go to war) to right various wrongs willy nilly all over the world.
You make a lot of valid points. However, they are all irrelevant to this discussion as it does not matter how things got started, only how are we going to treat a group of people that allied with us. We have a responsibility to protect those that sacrificed to help us in the region, no matter whether or not you agreed with the action.
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[W]hen did the president get the power to single handled send troops into and fire missiles at foreign countries armies?
Was it, perhaps, in 1950?

Would you say that this set a precedent?
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