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Old 08-23-2019, 09:16 PM
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Think about what you are telling me, if I dont agree with you about Trump I have some sort of "syndrome" Have you ever thought it might be you and the Trumpsters with the problem? You try being brutally honest with yourself.
Classic childish "I am rubber you are glue" response. Harvard professor makes an outlandish smear about Trump but introspection is required of those who point out the lunacy.
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Think about what you are telling me, if I dont agree with you about Trump I have some sort of "syndrome" Have you ever thought it might be you and the Trumpsters with the problem? You try being brutally honest with yourself.
It starts with a Russian sex romp to tarnish his person. failing that we have two years of BS Russian collusion conspiracy where no facts were ever found to support it. We now have charges of sexism and racism,, and you are asking me if I have thought about it?

What I have thought about is the number of people I know who have seen improvements in their employment opportunities and wonder why the news about the man responsible is so negative.

What I have thought about is the salary jumps I was able to give my employees because of the economic expansion.

What I have thought about is the comparison between sleazy Bill Clinton who is still revered by the left so much so that his lying wife was almost our POTUS. Yet the same character flaws supposedly present in THE Donald mean he his unqualified for the office. I complement both for being successful Presidents despite their flaws.
I like THE Donald person about as much as I liked the Bill Clinton person. Both were flawed men who's company I would not endure on a personal basis.



And as for my comments,,,;
I thought about it and was as respectful as your comments would allow.
The advice I gave is free and worth every penny.

Worthless most if you are too perfect to reflect on it. Are you that sure your criticism of Trump is from YOUR OWN mind? Is it his person or his performance with which you have an issue? If you believe his decisions are about making more wealth for himself and family, he is failing miserably.
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Classic childish "I am rubber you are glue" response. Harvard professor makes an outlandish smear about Trump but introspection is required of those who point out the lunacy.
Read the thread. I was told to be brutally honest with myself, i was replying to that. Speaking of classically childish.
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Old 08-24-2019, 10:18 AM
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So lets take a guess at what he means.

Trump wants to reinstitute slavery?

These are the idiots that are teaching our best and brightest.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-the-civil-war
Effectively Trump wants to reinstate "birtherism" that was the foundation for slavery by making citizenship based upon the parents (jus sanguinis - The Right of Blood).

I disagree with part of the article that states:

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Birthright citizenship is derived from the 14th Amendment, which was ratified after the Civil War in 1868, and states, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Some scholars maintain that the amendment was intended to apply only to the children of slaves, and ought not to be expanded to the children of foreign nationals.
The 14th Amendment did not create birth right citizenship based upon the territory where the child was born (Jus Soli - The Right of Soil) that had existed for thousands of years. It protected the Natural Right of Citizenship established by the birth of the child on US soil. We know that this Right of Citizenship is a Natural Right because it fulfills the criteria that established a natural right.

Citizenship established by Jus Soli is not dependent upon the parent or any other person (jus sanguinis is based upon the parent and cannot be a natural right). It does not infringe upon or violate any other person's natural rights. It does not impose any involuntary obligations upon another person (care for the infant and child is provided for by voluntary laws).

The best example of how Jus Soli has worked for centuries in providing citizenship is if a woman gives birth and dies immediately without anyone having any knowledge about her the child was always a citizen of the country it was born in. Historically no laws were ever required to establish the citizenship of the child born in a country with unknown parents.

Jus Sanguinis, on the other hand, is always statutory. The law must be passed to define the relationship of the parent to the child.

Under slavery the parent, based upon the statutory law was property and not a person was a slave, always resulted in the child also being property and not a person was also a slave.

So yes, "birtherism" that's being promoted by Trump is the foundation for slavery where under statutory law the parent can be defined as property and not a person and it does reopen the possibility of slavery again in the United States.

But regardless the Trump proposal is a White Nationalist/White Supremacist proposal to deny a natural right of citizenship based upon Jus Soli. White Nationalism/White Supremacy has used the phrase "Make America Great Again" virtually since the end of the Civil War and that refers to American history when slavery did exist.

It can also be noted that the citizenship of the child does not provide any benefits to the parents of the child for at least 21 years. The child, a US citizen, cannot petition to prioritize lawful immigration of their parent(s) until they reach 21 years of age.
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Causation does not mean there must be Liberal retardation...

Trump wants to end birthright citizenship...The professor correlates that to Civil War era legislation...

But here's some facts which the professor couldn't look up...

Now did THEY repeal Birthright Citizenship because of THEIR Civil War era legislation?...

I'm gonna answer for you and guess "no"...

Serious question, Wally...Dead serious question...

Can Trump EVER think something should or shouldn't be done just because he f**kin' thinks it's the right thing to do?????...

...Or does EVERY thought have to have some ulterior motive or connection to something nefarious????

Jus Soli (The Right of Soil) is the Natural Right of Citizenship and when a country denies citizenship based upon Jus Soli it is violating a Natural Right of the Person.
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It can also be noted that the citizenship of the child does not provide any benefits to the parents of the child for at least 21 years. The child, a US citizen, cannot petition to prioritize lawful immigration of their parent(s) until they reach 21 years of age.
Yes, in a unicorn rainbow world, but not in this one. Liberals and other foreign ass kissing supporters will bend over backward to shower taxpayer money on the interlopers, with or without any "natural-born" anchor babies coming into the world.
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