Protesters wreak havoc at S.F. mall

A little "patriotic dissent" in the land of loonies...

I fully expect the San Fran city council to give out awards for displaying their freedoms...

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By the way...

I had to look it up. It is at 865 Market St. Downtown. The mall with the Nordstrom store on the BART & Muni lines near the Powell Street exit.

FWIW

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... well, that just about sums it up, doesn't it?

It's amazing to me that the entire country of Greece is up in arms and rioting because the police shot one person illegally.

In this country, we hardly bat an eyelash any more.

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Tristan, you're quite the extremist.

Don't you know that it's much more fashionable to whine and complain about how bad our politicians are, but then not actually do anything about it as we, as a population with an incredible disapproval rating, just turn around and re-elect the same guys who prove they have no interest in the average citizen time and time again?

Our second amendment right was put in there under the mentality that it was to help the people protect against the oppression of the government.
But today's second amendment protectors talk about it more as if it were intended for recreation, or protection from other civilians...

People who actually take action IN THE SPIRIT of the second amendment are criticized and thought of as traitorous terrorists, even though a LOT OF THEIR SENTIMENT is echoed by the common man.
It's just that the common man would rather have them whine instead of act like our fore-fathers ACTUALLY DID...

Maybe if our government feared an uprising AND ACTUAL CONSEQUENCES to their callous disregard for our average well-being, maybe they would do their job?
Nah. Better to continue the status quo of allowing them to play us off against each other with partisan mentality, look down at the whole situation negatively, and then do absolutely nothing except complain...

< end sarcasm >

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THIS WASN'T DIRECTED AT THE GOV'T, IT WAS DIRECTED AT PRIVATE BUSINESSES!!!!!!!! These people are criminals engaging in criminal activity and deserve to be thrown in jail/fined out the wazzoo and forced to pay compensation at triple the amount of the damages. Our forefathers took action only when they had NO OTHER COURSE TO TAKE. These idiots are doing nothing but using the violence in Greece as an excuse to engage in some vandalism and claim to be justified. They aren't trying to get anyone to change, they just want to tear up some businesses and pretend that they're the good guys. I've got news for you, them and the people like YOU who justify thier actions are just as bad as they are. You refuse to take a stand and publically denounce thier actions and by not doing so (in a united front), you tell them that it's all good and that they are heroes for thier crime. Sad, pathetic, revolting and just plain wrong. You take a near sacred right of Free Speech and denigrate it into a act of vandalism.

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Leftists and very small children don't seem to be able to understand that the Government isn't there to "fix" the economy, anymore than a tick is there to fix your dog.~Oftencold

Blah, blah, blah...
Nothing I said defended these guys in this specific story.
I was speaking satirically about the state of our nation.
Next time, try to pay attention to the < end sarcasm > typed conveniently in the post.


Talk about a point going WAYYY over your head...

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This is the line I'm talking about. You compare an act of vandalisim to addressing corruption in our gov't. This is the kind of moral equivlancy that is at the root if this kind of stupidity. When people like you can say "Well it's just doing something necessary adn we don't like but it has a point.", these idiots have all the justification that they need.

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Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

Leftists and very small children don't seem to be able to understand that the Government isn't there to "fix" the economy, anymore than a tick is there to fix your dog.~Oftencold

Indeed!

This country has channels inherent in our system of government to provide for redress of injury and adjudication of complaints without rioting.

These people just want to riot.

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With all the voting scandals in the news, I'm not so sure that "we, the voters" are solely responsible for who is in office.

And what exactly would you label the "Boston Tea Party"?
How much did that REALLY affect Britain's government, as opposed to affecting the British East India Company that owned the tea?
And do you know the definition of "satire"?

You know, I hear people talking about "They'll take my gun when they pry it out of my cold, dead hand".
What is that all about anyways?



1) This was "wreaking havoc at S.F. mall", and only companies were affected. The people RESPONSIBLE for the item of "protest" were not affected AT ALL by my understanding.
The "sympathetic" act was supposed to be against a FOREIGN GOVERNMENT, so it's like beating up Peter to protest Paul.
Somebody already pointed out the foolishness of such an approach, so I didn't see a need to rehash old material.
But I guess you do need me to explicitly state it, so you'll realize that I do not see any "moral equivlancy (sic)" here at all.

2) Regarding corruption in OUR government, what do you think our founding fathers did?
Did they simply petition the government?
They took GUNS IN THEIR HANDS and fought Britain, KILLING people.
And let's get past the fairy tale "equal representation" if we're going to honestly address this issue. The actions of our founding fathers to form this nation were rather distinct, and not just for simple "noble" ideals.
The real rational is a much more distasteful mish-mash of motivations.



Okay. I'm going to say it again.
And I know you're going to ignore it again, cause you don't do real arguments in the first place...

I AM NOT DEFENDING THESE GUYS.
There was nothing "necessary" about their actions, so kindly refrain from implying I said that.

What you're doing is like saying "I support free speech", and then taking that to believe that I support John having a right to convince people to go out and kill black people.
I'm talking about a fundamental idea that was essential to the founding of our nation. YOU even admit it's fundamental to the second amendment.
So, I guess I could talk about "moral equivalency" and pretend YOU support this article's actions then...


Rrriiiggghhhtttt.....l
When those "channels inherent in our system" are squelched by bipartisanship and greed, wealthy backers with numerous lobbyists, funneling into corrupt politicians who vote themselves pay raises as the rest of the country is in financial trouble...

When was the last time our government paid ANY REAL ATTENTION to "provided" means of "redress ... of complaints" that didn't revolve around "Republican says A and Democrat says B, so one has to win..."

I'm not saying people should pick up a gun and start shooting people.
But I am noting a VERY REAL TRADITION that dates back to our honored founding fathers.
It's one of those things where we HONOR our founding fathers for doing something that we declare as "criminal" today.
Well, guess what. Our founding fathers WERE criminals to the ACTING GOVERNMENT of their time.

And in the big scheme of things, when you have the "taxation without representation" fairy tale justification, and compare that to bailouts approaching trillion dollars today, ignoring the "representation" of the American people who don't want it...
If somebody wants to talk about "equivalency", THINK about that...

Again, I'm not advocating violence. I see a higher purpose in all this revolving around ending the current economic problems that I think will easily go down in the top five of economic crises.

All I'm doing is talking about the UNDERLYING principle involved in non-pacifist protest.
And if I have to say it again, I think the people in this story are idiots for already explained reasons.

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