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Yet another conspiracy theory without any basis in fact. I've explained the reason these building collapsed on another thread as they were not designed to survive the kind of damage incurred by the planes hitting the buildings in the manner in which they did.
In that other thread I promised not to debate you if you gave me your reasons for your position. I was glad to read it. and kept my promise and let your comment stand as the last word.
But that doesn't mean that there was no evidence based rebuttal available to refute your claims.
At base the claim that buildings were "were not designed to survive the kind of damage" is just false. I've seen interviews of one of the WTC buildings construction managers and he says flatly that they were IN fact built to withstand MORE than that. And many other architects have agreed. the buildings should not have fallen from fire, jet fuel or multiple planes crashing into them from any angle or at any spot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYSV2OxAvZE

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They don't understand that the high heat from jet fuel will weaken and melt steel, which was left bare by the plane going through the bldg. And once one floor collapses, it takes the next one with it.
the fuel wasn't hot enough but lets say it was.
the floors pancaking one atop another doesn't work becasue the speed of the collapses is wrong.
It's against physics, faster than physics allows for the floor to collapse hit, collapse hit etc that fast. the momentum would have slowed to a stop.
and even the official report had to change that aspect of the story.

but here's the thing, the firemen, architects and scientist of the petition are sighting the evidence of explosions and explosives.
either it's there or it's not.
If it's there, and was never investigated don't you think that's an odd oversight on the part of the the official investigators?
one that should be addressed?


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It most certainly is.
If you're interested the evidence they mentioned are found the links to the petition are here.

https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11i...jury-petition/

The evidence they site starts in section F.

It's there if you really want to see it.
If not you can just blow it off as if it's not real without even looking at it
But I'd be happy to see your specific rebuttals to the whole or the parts of overwhelming evidence the architects, engineers and NYC firemen sight.
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In that other thread I promised not to debate you if you gave me your reasons for your position. I was glad to read it. and kept my promise and let your comment stand as the last word.
But that doesn't mean that there was no evidence based rebuttal available to refute your claims.
At base the claim that buildings were "were not designed to survive the kind of damage" is just false. I've seen interviews of one of the WTC buildings construction managers and he says flatly that they were IN fact built to withstand MORE than that. And many other architects have agreed. the buildings should not have fallen from fire, jet fuel or multiple planes crashing into them from any angle or at any spot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYSV2OxAvZE


the fuel wasn't hot enough but lets say it was.
the floors pancaking one atop another doesn't work becasue the speed of the collapses is wrong.
It's against physics, faster than physics allows for the floor to collapse hit, collapse hit etc that fast. the momentum would have slowed to a stop.
and even the official report had to change that aspect of the story.

but here's the thing, the firemen, architects and scientist of the petition are sighting the evidence of explosions and explosives.
either it's there or it's not.
If it's there, and was never investigated don't you think that's an odd oversight on the part of the the official investigators?
one that should be addressed?




If you're interested the evidence they mentioned are found the links to the petition are here.

https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11i...jury-petition/

The evidence they site starts in section F.

It's there if you really want to see it.
If not you can just blow it off as if it's not real without even looking at it
But I'd be happy to see your specific rebuttals to the whole or the parts of overwhelming evidence the architects, engineers and NYC firemen sight.
In that way of thinking they would have to have every single floor wired for bombs. which in no way could go undetected by the building maintenance people and port authority. This would be the single biggest Ocean 11 type job ever. Hundreds of people would have to be involved, along with the very best building demolition experts the world.

Just so you know, there are more Architects and Structural engineers saying that the planes could and did bring down the towers.
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Just so you know, there are more Architects and Structural engineers saying that the planes could and did bring down the towers.
Exactly. There was a huge write up about that very thing in Popular Mechanics several years ago.
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New scientific evidence squashing conspiracy theories. Molten Aluminum from the planes created chemical reactions.

https://www.livescience.com/16179-tw...spiracies.html
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"When huge amount of molten aluminum gets in contact with water, a fierce exothermic reaction will take place, enormous amount of hydrogen is formed and the temperature is locally raised to 1,200 to 1,500 C," or 2,200 to 2,700 F


This isn't obscure chemistry, Simensen says; the U.S. Aluminum Association has recorded 250 accidental molten aluminum/water explosions worldwide since 1980. "Alcoa in Pittsburgh [the worldwide leader in aluminum production] has done a series of such explosions in special laboratory in order to understand what can prevent such explosions and what are the most dangerous situations," he wrote. "For instance they let 30 kilograms [66 pounds] of aluminum react with 20 liters [5.3 gallons] of water, which resulted in a large hole 30 meters [98 feet] in diameter, and nothing left of the laboratory."


66 POUNDS OF ALUMINUM CREATED A 98 FT DIAMETER HOLE IN A LAB....[B THERE WERE 30 tons OF ALUMINUM in each plane fuselage[/B]

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In that way of thinking they would have to have every single floor wired for bombs. which in no way could go undetected by the building maintenance people and port authority. This would be the single biggest Ocean 11 type job ever. Hundreds of people would have to be involved, along with the very best building demolition experts the world.

did you read details of the hard evidence of explosive residue in the debris and eyewitnesses testimony of fire and former military witnesses of explosives in the petition?
Bottom line is, if the bomb evidence was there then there were bombs in the building, HOW it got there is a 2ndry question that should be answered.

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Just so you know, there are more Architects and Structural engineers saying that the planes could and did bring down the towers.
More? maybe? but there are More scientist that promote man-made climate change as well. does that make them correct?

the evidence and the facts show weather or not something is true or false.
not the majority opinion. there's hard evidence of bombs in the building.
doesn't matter how many scientist don't acknowledge it.
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New scientific evidence squashing conspiracy theories. Molten Aluminum from the planes created chemical reactions.

https://www.livescience.com/16179-tw...spiracies.html
this is acutually very interesting.
I will read over this very well. (I hope you do the same with the links i've posted.)

I But i do want to point out something mentioned in the article you posted here.
the scientist claims
"My model explains all the observed features on 11th September: the explosions, molten metal coming out of the window, the time passing between the crash and the collapse, the fact that the explosions took place in a floor below the place it was burning, and the rapid collapse,"
Great , at least now we can agree that there were, in FACT, explosions and that the collapse was to rapid to be just planes caused.
That the official stories BEFORE THIS ONE Do not explain all the evidence available.
Ok, So at this point the real question is which scientific theory has more evidence for the causes of the explosions and rapid collapse... in ALL 3 of the buildings... even the one NOT hit by a plane, WTC building 3.
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this is acutually very interesting.
I will read over this very well. (I hope you do the same with the links i've posted.)

I But i do want to point out something mentioned in the article you posted here.
the scientist claims
"My model explains all the observed features on 11th September: the explosions, molten metal coming out of the window, the time passing between the crash and the collapse, the fact that the explosions took place in a floor below the place it was burning, and the rapid collapse,"
Great , at least now we can agree that there were, in FACT, explosions and that the collapse was to rapid to be just planes caused.
That the official stories BEFORE THIS ONE Do not explain all the evidence available.
Ok, So at this point the real question is which scientific theory has more evidence for the causes of the explosions and rapid collapse... in ALL 3 of the buildings... even the one NOT hit by a plane, WTC building 3.
From what I gather, the explosive residue was the result of the chemical reaction from the aluminum. It was a heavy liquid that burned through and penetrated the floors where it reacted with the water.

If 66lbs of molten aluminum can destroy a lab and make a 98ft diameter hole, Imagine what 30,000lbs would do.
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If you're interested the evidence they mentioned are found the links to the petition are here.

https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11i...jury-petition/

The evidence they site starts in section F.

It's there if you really want to see it.
If not you can just blow it off as if it's not real without even looking at it
But I'd be happy to see your specific rebuttals to the whole or the parts of overwhelming evidence the architects, engineers and NYC firemen sight.
I don't have to rebut anything, the pre-planted explosives theory has been debunked dozens of times. A simple google search will give you a long list of research.
Here is a big one none of the conspiracy theorist, include these guys, have been able to answer. Demolition of buildings like this take a crew of people months of work, doing demolition to walls and columns to place explosives and running miles of precisely measured det-cord and ignition circuits. How did they accomplish this in a building regularly inspected and patrolled by bomb squads and explosive detecting dogs? For cripes sake one of the bomb sniffing dogs died in the collapse.
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I don't have to rebut anything, the pre-planted explosives theory has been debunked dozens of times. A simple google search will give you a long list of research.
Here is a big one none of the conspiracy theorist, include these guys, have been able to answer. Demolition of buildings like this take a crew of people months of work, doing demolition to walls and columns to place explosives and running miles of precisely measured det-cord and ignition circuits. How did they accomplish this in a building regularly inspected and patrolled by bomb squads and explosive detecting dogs? For cripes sake one of the bomb sniffing dogs died in the collapse.
Look, if you're not going to reply yourself fine.
I'll refer you to the many internet replies to the supposed debunkings you mention.
And also for your question about "how did..."

But again the how question is 2ndary.
It does not refute the fact that explosive residue has been found in the WTC remains. And not aluminum based explosive material but nano-termite used in high end demolition work. As well as the tell-tale residue that type of explosive material leaves behind.
So at some point someone put explosives there and they were used.
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