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Dog Man 06-20-2019 04:23 PM

Reparations for Slavery
 
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...arty-politics/

Dog Man 06-20-2019 05:05 PM

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I'm curious as to how they are going to collect the money. Shouldn't they take the money from the descendants of the slave owners?

My great great grandfather was in the union army, and none of us ever even lived in the south. Should we have to pay?

My biggest question is, will this be good for black America? Or will it create a volatile divide?

Dog Man 06-20-2019 05:18 PM

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I'm curious as to how they are going to collect the money. Shouldn't they take the money from the descendants of the slave owners?

My great great grandfather was in the union army, and none of us ever even lived in the south. Should we have to pay?

My biggest question is, will this be good for black America? Or will it create a volatile divide?

Dog Man 06-20-2019 05:27 PM

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Burgess Owens, formerly of the Jets and Raiders, spoke during hearings for H.R. 40, a bill designed to study how to implement reparations for black Americans. The question of what, if anything, America owes to the descendants of slaves is at the heart of H.R. 40, and it’s a question for which Owens, along with a long list of other notable figures, offered an answer.

Speaking for five minutes, Owens noted his own lineage traces directly back to slaves. But, he added, “this is not about black and white, rich or poor, blue collar white collar. We’re fighting for the hearts of our nation.” Owens emphasized that his ancestors battled their way out of their circumstances following emancipation by hard work.

“I do not believe in reparation, because what reparation does, it points to a certain race, a certain color, as evil, and it points to another race, my race, as one that has not only become racist, but also beggars.”

During a portion of his allotted five minutes, Owens took the discussion in specific political directions. “I used to be a Democrat until I did my history and found the misery that party brought to my race ... Let's pay restitution. How about the Democratic Party pay for all the misery brought to my race?”

Owens continued, “And every white American, Republican or Democrat, who feels guilty because of the color of their skin, you can pony up also. Then we can get past reparations and recognize this country has given us greatness.”

Hairy Jello 06-20-2019 05:42 PM

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Reparations are a terrible idea. Where does it end? How far back in history are we gonna go?

Slavery is over. Time to move on.

Dog Man 06-20-2019 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hairy Jello (Post 971551)
Reparations are a terrible idea. Where does it end? How far back in history are we gonna go?

Slavery is over. Time to move on.

Yeah, and you just made me think about, will it just be for black people now?

Or will it be for every black person that is born in the United states for eternity? I think it would have to be. If they give something to every black person alive now, that will not be fair for the black kids in the future.

lurch907 06-20-2019 06:15 PM

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Reparations is definitely one of the dumber far left ideas.
If a thinking person knew nothing else about Elizabeth Warren, this should tell him that she is too stupid to make a good president.

saltwn 06-20-2019 06:39 PM

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I don't know whether reparation is a good idea or not but paying for it and on what basis seem clear to me. Today's equivalent of forty acres and a mule. I'm sure some bright group of math scholars could figure this out.

And yes the premise is it is for unpaid labor for building an entire country by overwhelmingly African people so take it from taxes at 1% or even less you'll have your money. There were slaves in all the colonies so no one should be left out.
As I stated that is my opinion on the money, I am uncertain of the merit or dangers and since I am not Black cannot argue further for or against doing it.

jimbo 06-20-2019 06:44 PM

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I regard this as a huge slippery slope. It started with the WW II interred Japanese. And the nation paid. $20,000 to each still alive interred Japanese.

So now it's every black regardless of any connection to anything slave related.

But what about me? I was a draftee. Yanked from my home, promising job, friends and girl friends. Told where I would live, work, couldn't even leave my home without specific permission. Wore what I was told. Wasn't I a slave? Shouldn't I be compensated?

I'm sure I can find other groups. I'm sure others will.

saltwn 06-20-2019 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbo (Post 971555)
I regard this as a huge slippery slope. It started with the WW II interred Japanese. And the nation paid. $20,000 to each still alive interred Japanese.

So now it's every black regardless of any connection to anything slave related.

But what about me? I was a draftee. Yanked from my home, promising job, friends and girl friends. Told where I would live, work, couldn't even leave my home without specific permission. Wore what I was told. Wasn't I a slave? Shouldn't I be compensated?

I'm sure I can find other groups. I'm sure others will.

I don't believe army subscription is the same animal but you bring up a good point. I am certain some of my own relatives are thinking along the same lines and with a better claim since they were talked into indenturement then cruelly treated as slaves until escaping on the third attempt while the landlord was away. Our claim, however, would have to be dealt with in the U.K. since they were the offending country at the time and sanctioned the business venture.
But yes you have proposed a good argument. I was against Japanese American reparation on these very grounds.

Manitou 06-20-2019 07:49 PM

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Those of you who think you are owed "reparations" by others, go stick your demands up your asses.

Manitou 06-20-2019 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 971562)
I don't believe army subscription is the same animal but you bring up a good point. I am certain some of my own relatives are thinking along the same lines and with a better claim since they were talked into indenturement then cruelly treated as slaves until escaping on the third attempt while the landlord was away. Our claim, however, would have to be dealt with in the U.K. since they were the offending country at the time and sanctioned the business venture.
But yes you have proposed a good argument. I was against Japanese American reparation on these very grounds.

There are no debts owed by anybody living today payable to any "former slaves". I smell a stinker of a scam to get free "no work" money, and nothing else.

Reparations my ass.

GetAClue 06-20-2019 09:48 PM

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I am more than willing to grant reparations to anyone that can prove they were a slave to be paid by anyone alive today that owned slaves. Other than that, this is just another attempt by the DNC to buy votes from the African American community.

cnredd 06-21-2019 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GetAClue (Post 971569)
I am more than willing to grant reparations to anyone that can prove they were a slave to be paid by anyone alive today that owned slaves. Other than that, this is just another attempt by the DNC to buy votes from the African American community.

To go one further, the biggest influx of white people was decades after the end of the civil war...I'm guessing less than 10% of the current US population has a domestic lineage that pre-dates 1870...:yes :shrug

GottaGo 06-21-2019 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 971573)
To go one further, the biggest influx of white people was decades after the end of the civil war...I'm guessing less than 10% of the current US population has a domestic lineage that pre-dates 1870...:yes :shrug

*raises hand* Northern born and bred, traceable lineage.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gerritszen-4

You that held slaves, should pay the reparations to those enslaved.

AZRWinger 06-21-2019 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GottaGo (Post 971581)
*raises hand* Northern born and bred, traceable lineage.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gerritszen-4

You that held slaves, should pay the reparations to those enslaved.

Ah, but you lived under a Constitution that endorsed slavery designating blacks as 3/5 of a person, language that's still there today. Plus the North didn't always ban slavery. :rolls

Notice that the call is for reparations for slavery? After the funding runs out there will be a need for reparations for segregation. After that reparations for white privilege. The government dictated redistribution of wealth never ends. ;) Think this won't happen? Look at the Pigford settlement. :eek

The current situation in South Africa is the logical destination from the drive to awarding government benefits on the basis of race.

Manitou 06-21-2019 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 971584)
Ah, but you lived under a Constitution that endorsed slavery designating blacks as 3/5 of a person, language that's still there today. Plus the North didn't always ban slavery. :rolls

Notice that the call is for reparations for slavery? After the funding runs out there will be a need for reparations for segregation. After that reparations for white privilege. The government dictated redistribution of wealth never ends. ;) Think this won't happen? Look at the Pigford settlement. :eek

The current situation in South Africa is the logical destination from the drive to awarding government benefits on the basis of race.

Every political ass hole thinks it is okay to use other people's money for whatever their brains fart out. They will soon learn it is not wise to do so. People are getting smarter.

jimbo 06-21-2019 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 971584)
Ah, but you lived under a Constitution that endorsed slavery designating blacks as 3/5 of a person, language that's still there today. Plus the North didn't always ban slavery. :rolls

Notice that the call is for reparations for slavery? After the funding runs out there will be a need for reparations for segregation. After that reparations for white privilege. The government dictated redistribution of wealth never ends. ;) Think this won't happen? Look at the Pigford settlement. :eek

The current situation in South Africa is the logical destination from the drive to awarding government benefits on the basis of race.

That was my attempted point with my veteran analogy. There will always be another group, and neither group will be satisfied with the results.

Dog Man 06-21-2019 11:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GottaGo (Post 971581)
*raises hand* Northern born and bred, traceable lineage.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gerritszen-4

You that held slaves, should pay the reparations to those enslaved.

From Harlem I see. :reporter:wow

GottaGo 06-21-2019 12:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 971584)
Ah, but you lived under a Constitution that endorsed slavery designating blacks as 3/5 of a person, language that's still there today. Plus the North didn't always ban slavery. :rolls

Notice that the call is for reparations for slavery? After the funding runs out there will be a need for reparations for segregation. After that reparations for white privilege. The government dictated redistribution of wealth never ends. ;) Think this won't happen? Look at the Pigford settlement. :eek

The current situation in South Africa is the logical destination from the drive to awarding government benefits on the basis of race.

Not arguing any of that, matter of fact, I bring up the point that not only did the North have slavery of Africans, they pretty much enslaved Asians and Irish too, when someone tries to play holier-than-thou on the Southerners.

I was responding to 'redd's comment regarding 10%.

GottaGo 06-21-2019 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dog Man (Post 971587)
From Harlem I see. :reporter:wow

And an ancestor owned part of Central Park, too. Ya wanna step out back and make sumptin' of it???? :catapult :nahnah

jamesrage 06-22-2019 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dog Man (Post 971548)
I'm curious as to how they are going to collect the money. Shouldn't they take the money from the descendants of the slave owners?

My great great grandfather was in the union army, and none of us ever even lived in the south. Should we have to pay?

My biggest question is, will this be good for black America? Or will it create a volatile divide?

Assuming the democrats were nutty enough to give money to people who in their entire lives were never slaves. They would steal it from all the tax payers. There would be no discussion on who exactly would pay.

If anyone living today can prove they were a slave then they should get compensation from the person or persons alive today who held them against their to do unpaid labor. However the only people who probably meet that criteria are probably certain sex trade workers, sweat shop workers and some of the victims of terrorists.

Just because someone's ancestors were wronged a hundred plus years doesn't entitled them to anything. The people pushing for reparations should be ashamed of themselves for trying to con the American tax payer out of their money for something they and the tax payer had no part in.

ShivaTD 06-22-2019 10:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dog Man (Post 971548)
I'm curious as to how they are going to collect the money. Shouldn't they take the money from the descendants of the slave owners?

My great great grandfather was in the union army, and none of us ever even lived in the south. Should we have to pay?

My biggest question is, will this be good for black America? Or will it create a volatile divide?

While it's referred to as reparations for slavery it is, in fact, reparations for the oppression of blacks in America that started with slavery. The oppression has been against all blacks since the ending of slavery 150 years ago.

I found the following from the National Review a rather compelling point from a Republican perspective.

Quote:

Mostly, the Republican party has since Thaddeus Stevens’s departure from the political scene endeavored to identify a date or an episode at which point it might declare the issue of African Americans’ social and political status concluded and return to its preferred full-time agenda of cutting taxes. But the question is far from concluded.
Thaddeus Stevens was, of course, one of the most radical anti-slavery Republicans in Congress leading up to, during, and in the aftermath of the Civil War. He was ahead of Lincoln in demanding freedom for the slaves and seeking equality for them.

There is obviously an episode or point at which the Republican Party can declare the end of the issue of African-American social, political, and economic oppression at an end. That's when we can statistically document the end of the political, social, and economic oppression has ended. There are obviously metrics that can be used to measure the oppression.

When anti-black prejudice reaches a point of irrelevance. The least prejudiced of all political groups are Democrats where a 2012 survey found that only 32% of Democrats expressed explicit anti-black prejudice. 32% isn't necessarily a good number but it's twice as good as the Republicans where 79% expressed anti-black explicit prejudice. Democrats can't change the anti-black prejudice of Republicans. Only Republicans can to that so the Republican Party needs to take on that task and at least get it close to the level of Democrats.

When black unemployment statistics are on a parity with white unemployment statistics. Black unemployment statistics have historically been double the percentage of white unemployment statistics. When there's no notable difference then we know we've addressed a key issue that results in economic discrimination.

When black household wealth is relatively equal to white house household wealth. Currently the median household wealth of a white family is about $170,000 while the black household wealth is basically 1/10th of that at $17,000.

When wages and compensation for blacks is indistinguishable from the wages and compensation for whites.

When black employment the top categories of power and income such as doctors, corporate executives, political representation, etc. is roughly equal to pre capita representation.

When the power of White Nationalism no longer exists in our political, social, or economic institutions.

These are all measurable criteria and all of them need to be met before Republicans can claim the issue of oppression of African-Americans is resolved.

Reparations do not end the oppression anymore than welfare assistance didn't end the poverty that necessitated the assistance. All reparations do, like welfare assistance, is to mitigate the effects of the problem. Mitigating the effects is of huge importance until the actual problem can be resolved.

We can end the "welfare" mitigation by ending poverty.
We can end the proposed "reparation" mitigation by ending the oppression.

ShivaTD 06-22-2019 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesrage (Post 971668)
Assuming the democrats were nutty enough to give money to people who in their entire lives were never slaves. They would steal it from all the tax payers.

Mitigating the effects of racial oppression, that have affected every black person alive today, doesn't necessarily have to come from all taxpayers.

Historically we've had tax rates of up to 90% on the income of the super-wealthy many or which already have more wealth than they can spend on their luxurious lifestyles over the next 1,000 years. We're talking about people that have incomes that they'll never use, ever!

If we apply the theory of "supply-side economics" (not trickle-down economics) and the Laffer Curve to the issue you reduce (local, state, and federal) taxes on those that spend their income on commodities and services and increase the taxes on those that don't spend their income on commodities and services. That means "tax the super-wealthy" and cut taxes on the bottom 90% of American households.

Manitou 06-22-2019 11:55 AM

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Posts 23 and 24 above are full of crap, and now I'm going to have to watch a Rick Roll'd video for an hour to get that crap out of my brain.

There is no way in Hell that anybody owes any race or nationality any reparations money, and there never will be, until a former slave and a former slave owner are found, and a hearing is held for the terms of the reparations between the two of them only.

All you pro-reparations people, with all due respect and for your health, give yourselves a prune enema.

GottaGo 06-22-2019 05:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ShivaTD (Post 971683)
While it's referred to as reparations for slavery it is, in fact, reparations for the oppression of blacks in America that started with slavery. The oppression has been against all blacks since the ending of slavery 150 years ago.

I found the following from the National Review a rather compelling point from a Republican perspective.



Thaddeus Stevens was, of course, one of the most radical anti-slavery Republicans in Congress leading up to, during, and in the aftermath of the Civil War. He was ahead of Lincoln in demanding freedom for the slaves and seeking equality for them.

There is obviously an episode or point at which the Republican Party can declare the end of the issue of African-American social, political, and economic oppression at an end. That's when we can statistically document the end of the political, social, and economic oppression has ended. There are obviously metrics that can be used to measure the oppression.

When anti-black prejudice reaches a point of irrelevance. The least prejudiced of all political groups are Democrats where a 2012 survey found that only 32% of Democrats expressed explicit anti-black prejudice. 32% isn't necessarily a good number but it's twice as good as the Republicans where 79% expressed anti-black explicit prejudice. Democrats can't change the anti-black prejudice of Republicans. Only Republicans can to that so the Republican Party needs to take on that task and at least get it close to the level of Democrats.

When black unemployment statistics are on a parity with white unemployment statistics. Black unemployment statistics have historically been double the percentage of white unemployment statistics. When there's no notable difference then we know we've addressed a key issue that results in economic discrimination.

When black household wealth is relatively equal to white house household wealth. Currently the median household wealth of a white family is about $170,000 while the black household wealth is basically 1/10th of that at $17,000.

When wages and compensation for blacks is indistinguishable from the wages and compensation for whites.

When black employment the top categories of power and income such as doctors, corporate executives, political representation, etc. is roughly equal to pre capita representation.

When the power of White Nationalism no longer exists in our political, social, or economic institutions.

These are all measurable criteria and all of them need to be met before Republicans can claim the issue of oppression of African-Americans is resolved.

Reparations do not end the oppression anymore than welfare assistance didn't end the poverty that necessitated the assistance. All reparations do, like welfare assistance, is to mitigate the effects of the problem. Mitigating the effects is of huge importance until the actual problem can be resolved.

We can end the "welfare" mitigation by ending poverty.
We can end the proposed "reparation" mitigation by ending the oppression.

So they have expanded the goal posts to include blacks alive today who supposedly oppressed by the very party that are trying to fleece everybody, because they can?

So we will also be paying women for being oppressed and mistreated for a couple of centuries too?

Do you not see the absurdity to this train of thinking??????

FrancSevin 06-22-2019 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaGo (Post 971711)
So they have expanded the goal posts to include blacks alive today who supposedly oppressed by the very party that are trying to fleece everybody, because they can?

So we will also be paying women for being oppressed and mistreated for a couple of centuries too?

Do you not see the absurdity to this train of thinking??????

No, he doesn't. Here is another absurdity. Slavery was legalfor60 plus years in the USA. Slave were considered "property" Right or wrong the USA government agreed to it as part of our founding.
England free the slaves of it's colonies by decree and paid the slave owners reparations for their "property." We freed them by decree in the belligerent states of the South with whom we were at war. No reparations were paid for the conversion of "property" to citizen.

In fact no slave was made a citizen for some time after the war when all slaves, in all states, were emancipated by law.

Should not the descendants of some, if not all, of those owners be compensated?

GottaGo 06-22-2019 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 971714)
No, he doesn't. Here is another absurdity. Slavery was legalfor60 plus years in the USA. Slave were considered "property" Right or wrong the USA government agreed to it as part of our founding.
England free the slaves of it's colonies by decree and paid the slave owners reparations for their "property." We freed them by decree in the belligerent states of the South with whom we were at war. No reparations were paid for the conversion of "property" to citizen.

In fact no slave was made a citizen for some time after the war when all slaves, in all states, were emancipated by law.

Should not the descendants of some, if not all, of those owners be compensated?

Technically, you would be correct. Morally by today's standard, you already know the answer.....

jamesrage 06-22-2019 07:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ShivaTD (Post 971684)
Mitigating the effects of racial oppression, that have affected every black person alive today, doesn't necessarily have to come from all taxpayers.

Historically we've had tax rates of up to 90% on the income of the super-wealthy many or which already have more wealth than they can spend on their luxurious lifestyles over the next 1,000 years. We're talking about people that have incomes that they'll never use, ever!

If we apply the theory of "supply-side economics" (not trickle-down economics) and the Laffer Curve to the issue you reduce (local, state, and federal) taxes on those that spend their income on commodities and services and increase the taxes on those that don't spend their income on commodities and services. That means "tax the super-wealthy" and cut taxes on the bottom 90% of American households.

Another commie/socialist piece of **** fleece the wealthy scam? That seems to be the goal of socialist scumbags, fleece the wealthy to pay for everything they want. Want free college, fleece the wealthy. Want free medical care, fleece the wealthy. Want a free home, fleece the wealthy. Want reparations, fleece the wealthy. So no. I don't give **** where the money comes from. People alive today who were never slaves shouldn't get money just because their ancestors over a 150 years ago were.Giving money and other benefits doesn't mitigate racial oppression. Making sure racist are not in power and the police force will mitigate the effects of racial oppression.When I say racist I am not taking about the liberal term for racists which to a liberal in means anyone opposed to illegal immigration, a republican and so on.

jimbo 06-22-2019 07:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 971714)
No, he doesn't. Here is another absurdity. Slavery was legalfor60 plus years in the USA. Slave were considered "property" Right or wrong the USA government agreed to it as part of our founding.
England free the slaves of it's colonies by decree and paid the slave owners reparations for their "property." We freed them by decree in the belligerent states of the South with whom we were at war. No reparations were paid for the conversion of "property" to citizen.

In fact no slave was made a citizen for some time after the war when all slaves, in all states, were emancipated by law.

Should not the descendants of some, if not all, of those owners be compensated?

Lincoln promised the slave owners payment for their property. $200 per if I remember. Johnson promptly rescinded that.

FrancSevin 06-22-2019 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaGo (Post 971717)
Technically, you would be correct. Morally by today's standard, you already know the answer.....

Technically, as I stated in the first line, the idea is absurd.

saltwn 06-22-2019 11:53 PM

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hearing to discuss putting together a committee to discuss reparations, what it should look like and consist of. pro and con testimony and opinion on whether the discussion of this subject is merited for further action:


jimbo 06-23-2019 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 971728)
hearing to discuss putting together a committee to discuss reparations, what it should look like and consist of. pro and con testimony and opinion on whether the discussion of this subject is merited for further action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6egQuqcWAg

I think i can save the country some money here.

Further discussion on this subject is not merited.

Manitou 06-23-2019 09:09 AM

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To the committee to discuss reparations, Manitou says,


"Blow it out your ass!"

AZRWinger 06-23-2019 10:11 AM

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We already have a model for the reparations program, it is the Pigford settlement. After activists were able to obtain a judgement against the Department of Agriculture for discrimination against some 400 black farmers a compensation fund was created.

Thanks to then Senator Barack Obama the compensation fund ballooned to nearly $5 billion with 90,000 applications for compensation. All that was necessary was to claim you had engaged in home gardening, something the Department of agriculture wouldn't have given you a cash subsidy for and identify as black. Supporters excused the fraud as reparations. :eek

It's hard to believe the reparations program being marketed by Democrats would not be subject to the same abuses as the Pigford settlement.

https://www.investors.com/politics/e...-pigford-case/

saltwn 06-23-2019 07:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 971738)
We already have a model for the reparations program, it is the Pigford settlement. After activists were able to obtain a judgement against the Department of Agriculture for discrimination against some 400 black farmers a compensation fund was created.

Thanks to then Senator Barack Obama the compensation fund ballooned to nearly $5 billion with 90,000 applications for compensation. All that was necessary was to claim you had engaged in home gardening, something the Department of agriculture wouldn't have given you a cash subsidy for and identify as black. Supporters excused the fraud as reparations. :eek

It's hard to believe the reparations program being marketed by Democrats would not be subject to the same abuses as the Pigford settlement.

https://www.investors.com/politics/e...-pigford-case/

discussions don't necessarily emphasize checks. Nor do they exclude them.
banking laws and many other factors play a role here.

Manitou 06-23-2019 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 971753)
discussions don't necessarily emphasize checks. Nor do they exclude them.
banking laws and many other factors play a role here.

They can take any discussions on reparations and shove them into a dark place on their bodies. Those con artists are only trying to stir up race wars.

saltwn 06-23-2019 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Manitou (Post 971755)
They can take any discussions on reparations and shove them into a dark place on their bodies. Those con artists are only trying to stir up race wars.

I tended to agree until I considered other factors. Now I'm not so sure. One thing is the Japanese Americans getting theirs. Can of worms but set a precedent. Another thing is intentional regulations targeting Black-owned banks specifically. there are a lot of factors here to consider.

Manitou 06-23-2019 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 971757)
I tended to agree until I considered other factors. Now I'm not so sure. One thing is the Japanese Americans getting theirs. Can of worms but set a precedent. Another thing is intentional regulations targeting Black-owned banks specifically. there are a lot of factors here to consider.

What is done is done. The only way the government can "make reparations" for their deeds is to take money away from the people who earn it. Must be nice, eh? There are no factors to consider other than the size of the rectums where all discussions of reparations belong.

ShivaTD 06-24-2019 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GottaGo (Post 971711)
So they have expanded the goal posts to include blacks alive today who supposedly oppressed by the very party that are trying to fleece everybody, because they can?

So we will also be paying women for being oppressed and mistreated for a couple of centuries too?

Do you not see the absurdity to this train of thinking??????

Certainly the argument for reparations could be expanded to cover other demographic groups that have been oppressed and suffered financial losses due to the control of our social, economic, and political institution by white men dedicated to their own self-interests throughout the history of the United States. The absurdity is in that the economic suppression continues today. Why hasn't it been corrected is the question that must be asked.

We're fundamentally addressing the natural (unalienable/inalienable) rights of the person where America's First Principles apply. It's the role of our government to protect those rights and in the case of social, economic, and political oppression of certain demographic groups, predominately based upon racism, religious intolerance, and misogyny our government has failed us and continues to fail us.

The Right of Property, a cherished Right in the United States, is violated if a person is subjected to economic oppression. That person is entitled to compensatory damages if they suffer financial loss due to the nefarious actions of others that result in their financial loss. Our courts deal with this on a continuous basis and award plaintiffs in civil suits financial compensation in individuals cases but when the economic institution is corrupted by the "self-serving while men" controlling that institution it's impossible to point to a single person or identify the exact persons responsible for the financial loss in a civil lawsuit.

We know the oppression exists, there are lots of studies that all confirm the oppression exists, and we can quantify in dollars the losses suffered by those oppressed.

Yes, addressing all of the oppression of all of the demographic groups and providing compensatory damages based upon that oppression may seem absurd to some but the absurdity is that we would treat different economically oppressed groups, all of which are suffering measurable and quantifiable financial losses due to the oppression, differently.

Shouldn't the Right of Property be equal for all Americans?


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