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News & Current Events Discuss US makes deal with Mexico on tariffs, immigration, Trump announces at the General Forum; Originally Posted by AZRWinger As for the US contribution to NATO. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/03/nato-spending-2017.html Not understanding how NATO contributions work is no ...

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Old 06-11-2019, 01:04 PM
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As for the US contribution to NATO.



https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/03/nato-spending-2017.html

Not understanding how NATO contributions work is no excuse for ignoring the outsized burden on US taxpayers just as an agreement in the far future is no reason to ignore deadbeat nations failure to meet their obligations today.
That 71% figure is simply comparing US defense spending to the total defense spending of all NATO members. That isnít a NATO contribution. Are you arguing that the US should cut defense spending if NATO allies spend more for their own defense?
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So today Trump was waving around a folded piece of paper, saying it was a secret deal he had with Mexico, despite Mexico denying such a deal exists.

Who is he fooling anymore, besides his base I mean?
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That 71% figure is simply comparing US defense spending to the total defense spending of all NATO members. That isnít a NATO contribution. Are you arguing that the US should cut defense spending if NATO allies spend more for their own defense?
It is a contribution to the mutual defense of the treaty organization members. Members are required to come to the aid of any member who is attacked. Preparedness to fulfill this treaty obligation is measured by defense spending, known as contribution. As a card carrying Resistance member you want to anything that Orange man bad nonsense even if that foolishly puts you at odds with the NATO secretary general.
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So today Trump was waving around a folded piece of paper, saying it was a secret deal he had with Mexico, despite Mexico denying such a deal exists.

Who is he fooling anymore, besides his base I mean?
I'll take a guess. Liberals? Definitely not his base, though.
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Who is he fooling anymore
From this thread, and others, I'd say Trump is fooling the left. It's not all Trump's fault. Libs aren't overly-educated due to bein' mindless zombies of the MSM.

Libs need to think for themselves, figure out the truth, stop thinking Trump is some evil warlord, and come together for the sake of our country.

Libs won't do that but it's what they would do if they're smart.
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From this thread, and others, I'd say Trump is fooling the left. It's not all Trump's fault. Libs aren't overly-educated due to bein' mindless zombies of the MSM.

Libs need to think for themselves, figure out the truth, stop thinking Trump is some evil warlord, and come together for the sake of our country.

Libs won't do that but it's what they would do if they're smart.
As a rule liberals tend to be educated but not smart. Both useful words but perhaps not always interchangeable.
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It is a contribution to the mutual defense of the treaty organization members. Members are required to come to the aid of any member who is attacked. Preparedness to fulfill this treaty obligation is measured by defense spending, known as contribution. As a card carrying Resistance member you want to anything that Orange man bad nonsense even if that foolishly puts you at odds with the NATO secretary general.
Would you support a lower US defense budget if all NATO members spent 2% of GDP on defense? If not, there is no basis for complaining about the financial impact on US taxpayers of their failure to do so.
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Would you support a lower US defense budget if all NATO members spent 2% of GDP on defense? If not, there is no basis for complaining about the financial impact on US taxpayers of their failure to do so.
The question is a hypothetical requiring conjecture about US military needs in the future, an unknowable. What can be known is that NATO'S defense posture has been improved by the additional spending brought about by President Trump taking deadbeat allies to task. It's the same approach he is using to get Mexico to step up enforcement of their immigration and human trafficking laws. Likewise the Resistance is engaged in the same propaganda of mindlessly berating Trump for his approach to Mexico as they did with NATO all the while ignoring positive results.
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Would you support a lower US defense budget if all NATO members spent 2% of GDP on defense? If not, there is no basis for complaining about the financial impact on US taxpayers of their failure to do so.
Why? You think the baboons in Congress deserve another pay raise?

Lower US defense my ass!
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