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I guess rEsident bOnespur is going to halftta invent a new mantra now.

<WASHINGTON — At long last, the sphinx of Washington spoke on Wednesday, and here is what President Trump heard: “Case closed.” Here is what the president’s adversaries heard: “Time to impeach.”>

<The much-anticipated public debut of Robert S. Mueller III as special counsel proved as polarizing and unsatisfying as almost everything else about the two-year investigation he led into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election in support of Mr. Trump’s candidacy.>

<In his dry, lawyerly, scripted statement, Mr. Mueller gave voice for the first time to the damning details he uncovered about Russia’s efforts to disrupt American democracy and Mr. Trump’s efforts to impede the investigation. He chose in the end to speak out, just this once if he has his way, to plead for a deliberate assessment of the facts from a deeply divided political system that shows no willingness to look at his findings through his dispassionate eyes.>


<Rarely has a high-profile special prosecutor left Washington so flummoxed. During Watergate, Leon Jaworski left no doubt about his conclusions regarding President Richard M. Nixon, persuading a grand jury to name him an unindicted co-conspirator before his resignation.>

<After his Iran-contra investigation, Lawrence E. Walsh issued a report with definitive conclusions about Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush even though he accused neither of a crime. Ken Starr, operating with different authority than Mr. Mueller under a since-expired law, sent the House a list of 11 impeachable offenses he believed President Bill Clinton had committed.>

<“Mueller is murkier than each of those,” said John Q. Barrett, an associate independent counsel under Mr. Walsh and now a professor at St. John’s University School of Law. Mr. Mueller, he added, is more rooted in the Justice Department than any of his prominent predecessors and operating under rules that limited his autonomy, >

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/u...ashington.html
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Here is what the president’s adversaries heard: “Time to impeach.”
They've been hearing that LONG before Mueller spoke today...

Mueller could've said "Trump is 100% innocent of everything. He's never even crossed against a red light. It would be the dumbest thing in the world to lift a finger against him." and the Democrats STILL would've heard "Time to impeach."...
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Truth be told, Mueller did nothing today but keep the bullsh*t chaos going...His little speech was full of "Ifs" "maybes" and "could've been differents"...and THEN, he follows up with "I'm not going to clarify anything. I'm done."...
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Truth be told, Mueller did nothing today but keep the bullsh*t chaos going...His little speech was full of "Ifs" "maybes" and "could've been differents"...and THEN, he follows up with "I'm not going to clarify anything. I'm done."...
YUP!

His speech reminded men of the nondefinitive one his good friend James Comey gave listing Clinton's crimes and then leaving it at "we don't think she intended to break the law."

Thirty million dollars for a two and one half year snipe hunt which ended with nothing more than a refractory gunny sack
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YUP!

His speech reminded men of the nondefinitive one his good friend James Comey gave listing Clinton's crimes and then leaving it at "we don't think she intended to break the law."

Thirty million dollars for a two and one half year snipe hunt which ended with nothing more than a refractory gunny sack
Yep and we, the taxpayers, have the dubious honor of paying for it.
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Mueller could've said "Trump is 100% innocent of everything. He's never even crossed against a red light. It would be the dumbest thing in the world to lift a finger against him."
The problem is that the evidence didn't support that statement.

Instead....

Mueller found evidence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians but not enough evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in a count of law.

Mueller explicitly stated that President Trump could not be cleared of obstruction of justice because of the evidence that Trump did obstruct justice.

Mueller also laid the responsibility on Congress to address the violations of the law by President Trump because it's outside of the DOJ's jurisdiction and the Constitution mandates impeachment by Congress, not just Democrats, to address "high crimes and misdemeanors whenever there's evidence indicating those crimes were committed.

The actions of Congress to initiate impeachment proceedings under the Constitution are mandatory to preserve the Rule of Law in the United States when it comes to offenses by a sitting President.

So the problem is really with Republicans that don't support the impeachment proceedings because they're violating their oath of office to support the Constitution and the laws of the United States.

Please note that Mueller also established that Congress needs to continue the investigation into a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians because Mueller hit a dead in due to obstruction of his investigation into this issue. Mueller was also limited to addressing obstruction of justice by the President related to the Russia investigation and there are other criminal investigations by the FBI into Trump's activities that Congress needs to address during it's impeachment investigation. Additionally Congress needs to identify "high crimes and misdemeanors" by the President that didn't violate statutory criminal law. Historically only 1/3rd of the "high crimes and misdemeanors" identified in articles of impeachment are related to statutory crimes.
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BTW, Mueller hid behind the AG policy on not indicting a sitting President. I have a question about that. The Purpose of the Special Prosecutor was to determine facts about Russian involvement in our 2016 elections. If an indictment was not the purpose of the Mueller court, and one could not be written and served if accomplished, then why the investigation?

The simple fact is Mueller was not charged with the task of finding THE Donald innocent. He was tasked with finding out what involvement the Russians had with tampering/collusion in our 2016 elections.

He found no guilt of that on the part of the President or his campaign.
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The problem is that the evidence didn't support that statement.
Of course it doesn't...It was a HYPOTHETICAL!!!!!!...

Do you realize you just argued against something I ADMIT didn't happen?!!?!?!...
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I guess rEsident bOnespur is going to halftta invent a new mantra now.

<WASHINGTON — At long last, the sphinx of Washington spoke on Wednesday, and here is what President Trump heard: “Case closed.” Here is what the president’s adversaries heard: “Time to impeach.”>

<The much-anticipated public debut of Robert S. Mueller III as special counsel proved as polarizing and unsatisfying as almost everything else about the two-year investigation he led into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election in support of Mr. Trump’s candidacy.>

<In his dry, lawyerly, scripted statement, Mr. Mueller gave voice for the first time to the damning details he uncovered about Russia’s efforts to disrupt American democracy and Mr. Trump’s efforts to impede the investigation. He chose in the end to speak out, just this once if he has his way, to plead for a deliberate assessment of the facts from a deeply divided political system that shows no willingness to look at his findings through his dispassionate eyes.>


<Rarely has a high-profile special prosecutor left Washington so flummoxed. During Watergate, Leon Jaworski left no doubt about his conclusions regarding President Richard M. Nixon, persuading a grand jury to name him an unindicted co-conspirator before his resignation.>

<After his Iran-contra investigation, Lawrence E. Walsh issued a report with definitive conclusions about Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush even though he accused neither of a crime. Ken Starr, operating with different authority than Mr. Mueller under a since-expired law, sent the House a list of 11 impeachable offenses he believed President Bill Clinton had committed.>

<“Mueller is murkier than each of those,” said John Q. Barrett, an associate independent counsel under Mr. Walsh and now a professor at St. John’s University School of Law. Mr. Mueller, he added, is more rooted in the Justice Department than any of his prominent predecessors and operating under rules that limited his autonomy, >

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/u...ashington.html
re the video, when he said 'we're gonna get to the bottom of this'

for a minute there I thought he meant Russia hacking the Florida voters, social media and the DNC/RNC computers.
Guess not
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YUP!

His speech reminded men of the nondefinitive one his good friend James Comey gave listing Clinton's crimes and then leaving it at "we don't think she intended to break the law."

Thirty million dollars for a two and one half year snipe hunt which ended with nothing more than a refractory gunny sack

You don't think that he broke that he broke obstruction of justice? The Nixon and Clinton case put that theory to rest.
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