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Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange was hit Thursday with new federal criminal charges alleging he conspired with former Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to obtain and publish secret documents, some of which included the disclosure of identities of foreigners who were aiding the U.S. military abroad.

The new set of counts immediately raised alarms among press freedom advocates, who argue that charging Assange with violations of the Espionage Act could set a dangerous precedent for journalists.

Assange was charged with 17 new criminal counts: One count of conspiracy to receive national defense information, three counts of obtaining national defense information and 13 counts of disclosure of national defense information.

If convicted, he faces a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison for each of the new counts, according to the DOJ.
yeah when he published sources, therefore, endangering them and sought sanctuary in Russia he became a traitor, not a journalist
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yeah when he published sources, therefore, endangering them and sought sanctuary in Russia he became a traitor, not a journalist
1st. when did he publish sources?
the media and has been claiming he got Hillary's info from "Russia". he's denied that over and over again. What sources are you talking about?
2nd. he's not an American so can't be a "traitor".
But selling or gathering info specifically for other foreign gov'ts use would make someone a spy.
However Publishing info for public consumption, by default, makes someone a reporter.

now lets look at what our actions make us.
Punishing people for reporting corrupt actions of politicians and gov't shows that that gov't is an oppressive state, closed to journalism and freedom of the press.
I remember when we used to criticizes the USSR and communist countries for putting journalist in jail who exposed negative aspects of the Communist gov'ts.
We used to criticizes the USSR and communist countries for spying on it's citizens 'six ways to Sunday' 24/7.
We used to criticizes the USSR and communist countries for putting people in prison without trials and torturing them.
What's happening to America folks?
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1st. when did he publish sources?
the media and has been claiming he got Hillary's info from "Russia". he's denied that over and over again. What sources are you talking about?
2nd. he's not an American so can't be a "traitor".
But selling or gathering info specifically for other foreign gov'ts use would make someone a spy.
However Publishing info for public consumption, by default, makes someone a reporter.

now lets look at what our actions make us.
Punishing people for reporting corrupt actions of politicians and gov't shows that that gov't is an oppressive state, closed to journalism and freedom of the press.
I remember when we used to criticizes the USSR and communist countries for putting journalist in jail who exposed negative aspects of the Communist gov'ts.
We used to criticizes the USSR and communist countries for spying on it's citizens 'six ways to Sunday' 24/7.
We used to criticizes the USSR and communist countries for putting people in prison without trials and torturing them.
What's happening to America folks?
Assange published the names of local officials and contacts assisting the US effort in Iraq putting them in grave danger during the conflict. He obtained this information thanks to conspiring with Manning to hack passwords and steal classified information.

No responsible reporter would deliberately expose people to harm in a war zone by publishing their names. Assange crossed the line from journalist to coconspirator when he coached Manning to steal classified material. Reporters don't have some shiny badge of immunity from the law just because they declare themselves professional.
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1st. when did he publish sources?
the media and has been claiming he got Hillary's info from "Russia". he's denied that over and over again. What sources are you talking about?
2nd. he's not an American so can't be a "traitor".
But selling or gathering info specifically for other foreign gov'ts use would make someone a spy.
However Publishing info for public consumption, by default, makes someone a reporter.

now lets look at what our actions make us.
Punishing people for reporting corrupt actions of politicians and gov't shows that that gov't is an oppressive state, closed to journalism and freedom of the press.
I remember when we used to criticizes the USSR and communist countries for putting journalist in jail who exposed negative aspects of the Communist gov'ts.
We used to criticizes the USSR and communist countries for spying on it's citizens 'six ways to Sunday' 24/7.
We used to criticizes the USSR and communist countries for putting people in prison without trials and torturing them.
What's happening to America folks?
the people who said this or that. he names people. like 'let the light shine' type mantra
only some of those people no doubt have been murdered now or those heads of state don't have the same relationship with whomever they were overheard talking about . the saudis disparaging a holy man in iran in a private conversation-stuff like that.
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Assange published the names of local officials and contacts assisting the US effort in Iraq putting them in grave danger during the conflict. He obtained this information thanks to conspiring with Manning to hack passwords and steal classified information.

No responsible reporter would deliberately expose people to harm in a war zone by publishing their names. Assange crossed the line from journalist to coconspirator when he coached Manning to steal classified material. Reporters don't have some shiny badge of immunity from the law just because they declare themselves professional.
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the people who said this or that. he names people. like 'let the light shine' type mantra
only some of those people no doubt have been murdered now or those heads of state don't have the same relationship with whomever they were overheard talking about . the Saudis disparaging a holy man in Iran in a private conversation-stuff like that.
"no doubt"?
how can you have "no doubt" without any evidence?
please just list groups or individuals that have been physically harmed because of Wikileaks info.
There are plenty that are Embarrassed becasue their corruption was exposed. And it's POSSIBLE that some dodgy US foreign policy activity/players may have become less ready to deal under the table with us. But please name some folks that were physically harmed.
Not POTENTIALLY harmed or POSSIBLY "put in harms way".
I've done a just a quick search and i can't find ANY. link
Seems It's just a line of gov't propaganda that asserts that exposure of OH-So Secret docs by defaults means people died or were harmed.
As far a i can tell the only thing that wikileaks/Assange helped kill was Hillary's chances of becoming president.
AZ, As far as His work with manning is concerned "helping"' well Here's my question. At what point is it right to expose information of CRIMINAL ACTS which have been classified "secret"?
People were illegally tortured, raped and killed and the information was "classified". Sorry but in my view, exposing that is the right thing to do. And not "espionage" but closer to undercover police work.

which crime is worse? U.S. military and U.S. Allies tortures murders and rapes or the hacking of classified docs about that activity?
seems to me that's a no brainier.
Are the torturers murders and rapist in jail? Is the U.S. gov't out of it's freakin' mind to track down harass and prosecute those people? the law and justice are BASS-AKWARD here seem to me.
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