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This is gonna bite libs in the ass come 2020. They're gonna have nothing of worth to point to that they did to better the country. Attacking Trump relentlessly isn't gonna cut it, especially when Trump is gonna point to a laundry list of accomplishments. Libs playing partisan politics could be their downfall.

Imprisoning Bill Barr is left’s new rallying cry: ‘Have him locked up’

The battle between congressional Democrats and the Justice Department over Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia report has reached new levels of vitriol, as some on the left call for Attorney General Bill Barr to be physically dragged in to testify or even locked up for defying congressional subpoenas.

The demands have escalated after the attorney general refused to appear before the House Judiciary Committee last week amid disagreements over the format of the hearing.

Though he testified a day earlier on the Senate side, Democrats on the committee still want to bring in the DOJ leader to answer questions on the conclusion of Mueller's investigation. Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., also imposed a Monday morning deadline for Barr to turn over the full, unredacted Mueller report and additional files -- a deadline the DOJ apparently missed, prompting Nadler to schedule a Wednesday vote on contempt proceedings against Barr.

Committee member Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., over the weekend urged the panel to specifically pursue “inherent contempt,” calling for Barr to be arrested by the Sergeant at Arms and be physically brought before the committee to testify—a tactic reportedly not employed since the 1930s.

“I think they will stonewall at all costs,” Cohen told CNN’s Anderson Cooper, adding that the situation “leaves us no other alternative than to have our Sergeant at Arms bring him in. He is being utterly contemptuous of Congress. He lied to the Congress.”

Inherent contempt, which allows a person to be held until they provide testimony, is one of three contempt options available, along with criminal contempt (under which an individual is charged with a crime) and civil judgment (leading to a civil court process)

Cohen added: “You have to have him sit for a hearing and you have to have him locked up until he agrees to participate and come to the hearing.”

Cohen said that he did not know what the committee would do but argued that without pursuing that avenue, a congressional contempt citation would be “meaningless.”

The DOJ has not publicly responded to Cohen's warning, though a spokeswoman fired back last week when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi accused Barr of committing a crime by allegedly lying in prior testimony. The DOJ called the attack "reckless, irresponsible and false."

Still, the scenario Cohen suggested has thus far not been entertained by higher-ranking Democrats. Cohen -- who drew mockery last week for bringing a KFC bucket to the no-show hearing, eating fried chicken in full view of press cameras and placing a toy chicken by Barr's empty seat in order to suggest Barr is, himself, like a chicken -- even suggested the contempt scenarios might not produce much action.

“It shows we want to hold him in contempt, but that fact is, he won’t be held in contempt because the Justice Department is not going to enforce a contempt citation against their boss,” Cohen explained. “It’s just not going to happen. Trump and Barr would fire whoever tried to do it.”

But Cohen isn’t the only one on the left calling for such a drastic measure.

Former Clinton Labor Secretary Robert Reich penned an op-ed last week titled "Congress should be ready to arrest Bill Barr if he defies subpoena."

“[T]he House can order its own sergeant-at-arms to arrest the offender, subject him to a trial before the full House, and, if judged to be in contempt, jail that person until he appears before the House and brings whatever documentation the House has subpoenaed,” Reich wrote in the op-ed for Salon. “Congress hasn’t actually carried through on the threat since 1935 — but it could. Would America really be subject to the wild spectacle of the sergeant-at-arms of the House arresting an Attorney General and possibly placing him in jail?”

“Probably not,” he wrote. “Before that ever occurred, the Trump administration would take the matter to the Supreme Court on an expedited basis.”

Reich also said that Trump’s alleged “contempt for the inherent power of Congress” is “the most dictatorial move he has initiated since becoming president.”

Another column in The Week, titled "William Barr is in contempt. Congress should send him to jail," discussed a similar scenario.

“And there's a simple solution for the House to enact if Barr really doesn't show up: Formally hold him in contempt of Congress, then send him to jail,” Joel Mathis wrote. “That's a radical suggestion, but this is a radical moment.”

Meanwhile, most prominent Democrats have argued instead that Barr should resign amid the controversy.

“He lied to Congress. And if anybody else did that, it would be considered a crime,” Pelosi told reporters. “Nobody is above the law. Not the president of the United States. Not the attorney general.”

Pelosi’s public comments came after she, according to Politico, told Rep. Charlie Crist, D-Fla., during a private caucus meeting Thursday: “We saw [Barr] commit a crime when he answered your question.”

She was referring to an April 9 hearing, where Crist had asked whether Barr knew what prompted reports that prosecutors on the special counsel team were frustrated with his initial summary. Barr said he did not.

But last week, The Washington Post first reported that Special Counsel Robert Mueller contacted Barr, both in a letter and in a phone call, to express concerns after Barr released his four-page summary of Mueller’s findings in March. Mueller pushed Barr to release the executive summaries written by the special counsel’s office.

However, according to both the Post and the Justice Department, Mueller made clear that he did not feel that Barr’s summary was inaccurate. Instead, Mueller told Barr that media coverage of the letter had “misinterpreted” the results of the probe concerning obstruction of justice.

Pelosi, last week, was asked if Barr should go to jail for the alleged crime.

“There is a process involved here and as I said, I’ll say it again, the committee will have to come to how we will proceed,” Pelosi said.
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I wondered what would happen to all of the clowns employed by Barnum and Bailey when they shut down their circus. Apparently, they all joined Congress as Democrats.
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If AG Barr did what they asked, he could be locked up. Why aren't the members of Congress concerned that they ask him to break the law, in fact demanded it under threat of Contempt of Congress.
But then, they are contemptable people.
Oh the irony.
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This is gonna bite libs in the ass come 2020. They're gonna have nothing of worth to point to that they did to better the country. Attacking Trump relentlessly isn't gonna cut it, especially when Trump is gonna point to a laundry list of accomplishments. Libs playing partisan politics could be their downfall.

Imprisoning Bill Barr is left’s new rallying cry: ‘Have him locked up’

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Pelosi, last week, was asked if Barr should go to jail for the alleged crime.

“There is a process involved here and as I said, I’ll say it again, the committee will have to come to how we will proceed,” Pelosi said.

Trump is trying to goad Pelosi into impeaching someone. Every move he makes is motivated by self enrichment and self protection. The only way his house of cards stays on the table is if he remains president.
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Says the lead clown.
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Committee member Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., over the weekend urged the panel to specifically pursue “inherent contempt,” calling for Barr to be arrested by the Sergeant at Arms and be physically brought before the committee to testify—a tactic reportedly not employed since the 1930s.

“I think they will stonewall at all costs,” Cohen told CNN’s Anderson Cooper, adding that the situation “leaves us no other alternative than to have our Sergeant at Arms bring him in. He is being utterly contemptuous of Congress. He lied to the Congress.”

Inherent contempt, which allows a person to be held until they provide testimony, is one of three contempt options available, along with criminal contempt (under which an individual is charged with a crime) and civil judgment (leading to a civil court process)

Cohen added: “You have to have him sit for a hearing and you have to have him locked up until he agrees to participate and come to the hearing.”
There's not much of a question about whether AG Barr is in contempt of Congress and that the Contempt originates at the White House that has said it will not comply with any subpoenas issued by any House investigative committee regardless of what they're for.

Donald Trump obstructed justice during the Mueller investigation and now Donald Trump is obstructing the Constitutionally mandated oversight responsibility of the House of Representatives.

The House Judiciary Committee has already authorized a contempt violation by AG Barr that's awaiting a vote by the full House. The House Ways and Means Committee is likely to file a contempt violation against Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin for failure to turn over Trump's tax returns in compliance with the law.

Barr and Mnuchin are responsible for these contempt charges, not the Democrats in the House.

In both cases members of these committees say that a civil lawsuit to enforce the contempt violations is the probable course of action because the DOJ is highly unlikely to enforce the contempt charges.

There's a Constitutional crisis brewing if the Trump administration simply ignores a court order in these cases. Donald Trump could literally ignore a court order from the Supreme Court and there's not much that can be done except to impeach and remove Trump from office that the GOP will refuse to allow.
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There's not much of a question about whether AG Barr is in contempt of Congress and that the Contempt originates at the White House that has said it will not comply with any subpoenas issued by any House investigative committee regardless of what they're for.

Donald Trump obstructed justice during the Mueller investigation and now Donald Trump is obstructing the Constitutionally mandated oversight responsibility of the House of Representatives.

The House Judiciary Committee has already authorized a contempt violation by AG Barr that's awaiting a vote by the full House. The House Ways and Means Committee is likely to file a contempt violation against Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin for failure to turn over Trump's tax returns in compliance with the law.

Barr and Mnuchin are responsible for these contempt charges, not the Democrats in the House.

In both cases members of these committees say that a civil lawsuit to enforce the contempt violations is the probable course of action because the DOJ is highly unlikely to enforce the contempt charges.

There's a Constitutional crisis brewing if the Trump administration simply ignores a court order in these cases. Donald Trump could literally ignore a court order from the Supreme Court and there's not much that can be done except to impeach and remove Trump from office that the GOP will refuse to allow.
In short, the House Judiciary committee has directed AG Barr to break the law. He has declined to do so. The Democrats in the house are now throwing a temper tantrum.

That about sums it up.
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Trump is trying to goad Pelosi into impeaching someone. Every move he makes is motivated by self enrichment and self protection. The only way his house of cards stays on the table is if he remains president.
The obstruction of House Committee investigations, resulting in contempt, is only a symptom of the problem. President Trump is in contempt of the rule of law and the Constitution and so far he has the support of the GOP in Congress.

Donald Trump wants to be impeached as he sees that as the road to re-election. Trump has mastered the "art of the victim" where he blames everyone for his own failures. Just a couple of days ago he was blaming the investigations into problems he created as being responsible for his failures during his first two years as President. He plays the victim with "I've failed as President because my actions were being investigated" while trying to play the other card of "I'm the most successful president in the history of the universe." In fact neither of Trump's statements are accurate. Trump is the worst president in the history of the universe and it wasn't because he was under investigation.

What Democrats are going to do remains a mystery. As some have pointed out they should take up Trump's challenge and open impeachment hearings. This provides them with far greater access to testimony and documents than their oversight authority. They don't need the evidence to remove Trump from office during an impeachment investigation but they will have the ability to gather the evidence and present it to the American people for why Trump should be removed from office. They don't have to create and approve articles of impeachment before the 2020 elections but they can provide the factual evidence supporting the grounds for removal from office to the American voters.


In short the House can ignore the GOP controlled Senate's ability to ignore the high crimes and misdemeanors committed by President Trump and take this right to the American people before they vote in November 2020.

Trump wants to delay everything until after November 2020 and the House can accommodate him while still providing the American people with the reasons to vote Trump out of office.
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And helping Trump, who has improved our Economy like no other POTUS
in decades. I know how much you hate having Trump do so well for America.
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