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Old 05-01-2019, 05:06 PM
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No way Republicans will back this.
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Ö...he can do no wrong????/ You get it wrong dude. I never said that or claim to agree with his politics. I more often simply object to his critics who's arguments are usually baseless.

Spending on true infrastructure projects is right and proper function of the government. Although I am on record here opposing the wall, so is border security a function of government.

Since we have declared sanctuary cities and states in defiance of federal law, I applaud his diverting the stream of asylum seeking illegals to those regions. However, I would prefer he took a different approach like arresting and prosecuting employers who exploit the shadow existence of illegal immigrants. It makes me angry that he misses that point.

He did stop the handing out of easy work permits, so maybe there is a cunning plan t work here. But we need to nail the bastards that employ illegals over American Citizens.

As for the tax cuts, lowering the rates does not necessarily lower overall revenues. Revenues come from business activity. Lowering personal tax rates allows taxpayers more spending choices. Historically speaking that translates to more revenue results overall. Only zero sum bureaucrats and politicians promote the opposite function.

Infrastructure improvements benefit commerce. The most obvious example is the Eisenhower Interstate system. And after 55 years, it needs a lot of up grades. A boon for the blue collar middle class in both employment and enjoyment.

Unless you think the fat cat Wall Street executives are gonna stand in wet cement for a living. Is Bernie? No! Is THE Donald? No. McConnell, Pelosi, or Schumer? Hell No! But they are the guys who are supposed to get it done.

In case you are unaware, our government doesn't "build" anything. It only writes checks.

You would suggest we send those checks to Solyndra? Iran? Or a company that hires American workers and builds bridges
infrastructure? to a certain degree; yes. but you and i both know this thing will get bloated with pet projects that have nothing to do with improving commerce or the interstate system.
we had nearly a trillion in an infrastructure spending bill under obama so it really hasnít been 55 years without spending on improving the interstate system.
and you damn well know i am against sending money to solyndra and the like.
in another thread i applauded the presidentís plan to cut foreign aid by 23%.
so no. i donít support sending money to iran.
but nice try.
i think one area we agree is the wall/border security.
itís not about who occupies the white house - itís about how that person and congress decides to spend our money. and how much they spend.
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hence my second comment.

not only is he not a republican he isnít a conservative either.
the democrats simply wanted more spending and trump was more than willing to go along.
no conservative can possibly think this is a good idea.
i guess folks just forgot about the infrastructure shovel ready bloat obama put forth in 2009.
iím guessing you supported that?
keynesian economics - itís not just for progressive/liberal/democrats anymore.
I happen to agree with your position on infrastructure spending. While Trump did promise that during his campaign, it was one of his promises that I disagreed with and I hope does not see the light of day.

However, if it does pass we can hope that the money will actually be spent on infrastructure and not simple a giveaway to favored supporters like the stimulus was.
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infrastructure? to a certain degree; yes. but you and i both know this thing will get bloated with pet projects that have nothing to do with improving commerce or the interstate system.
we had nearly a trillion in an infrastructure spending bill under obama so it really hasnít been 55 years without spending on improving the interstate system.
and you damn well know i am against sending money to solyndra and the like.
in another thread i applauded the presidentís plan to cut foreign aid by 23%.
so no. i donít support sending money to iran.
but nice try.
i think one area we agree is the wall/border security.
itís not about who occupies the white house - itís about how that person and congress decides to spend our money. and how much they spend.
Pet Projects? Well, under Obama there was a lot of that. Trump, however, is a successful developer/builder who's management experience required prudent use of resources. I doubt he will oversee such waste and abuse as you suggest.

Perhaps that is why the members of Congress, from both parties, want him out of office.
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infrastructure? to a certain degree; yes. but you and i both know this thing will get bloated with pet projects that have nothing to do with improving commerce or the interstate system.
we had nearly a trillion in an infrastructure spending bill under obama so it really hasnít been 55 years without spending on improving the interstate system.
and you damn well know i am against sending money to solyndra and the like.
in another thread i applauded the presidentís plan to cut foreign aid by 23%.
so no. i donít support sending money to iran.
but nice try.
i think one area we agree is the wall/border security.
itís not about who occupies the white house - itís about how that person and congress decides to spend our money. and how much they spend.
Of Obama's stimulus spending only $35 billion of nearly $800 billion was spent on infrastructure, less if the $8 for the high speed rail boondoggle is subtracted. Obama sold the debt financed stimulus as funding shovel ready jobs but as he joked to his jobs council made up of corporate CEOS shovel ready jobs weren't so shovel ready. Here is a link to how the money was actually spent.

https://www.businessinsider.com/obam...ct-programs-10

After blowing through the stimulus bill money and siphoning off repaid money from Tarp Obama proposed Congress give him another $500 billion for "infrastructure improvements." He went back to the same cover story for pork barrel spending.

It's a fair criticism to suggest the proposed infrastructure spending might be diverted into vote buying or crony schemes. Trump has a history of building projects completed on time and on budget. That's not a guarantee but it is an indicator.

Trump and the Democrats agreed to a total spending number on infrastructure but little else. Trump is supposed to present plans to pay for the spending in 3 weeks. At this point it's premature to level condemnation against the effort.
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