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News & Current Events Discuss Islam does not want to be "Accepted" at the General Forum; Originally Posted by CindyB https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/20...451911371.html That's more than a few. Shiva believes that 40% is a small percentage of Muslims. ...

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Old 04-30-2019, 12:01 PM
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Shiva believes that 40% is a small percentage of Muslims. I look at it as all that is need is 11% more, and they will be the majority.

Then watch what happens to the UK.

Anybody want to do the math? How many Muslims make up 40% in the world? I'm sure some countries are less, but many counties are more.

I would say 40% is close to the world average of Muslims seeking Sharia/Islamic Law
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This a radical Islamic group that Muslims don't support. The proposal is anti-religious freedom while the majority of Muslims embrace religious freedom. No one would condone this proposal at all except other radical Islamic groups of which, fortunately, there are few adherents to these radical groups.

What is actually reflective of religious intolerance and Islamophobia is posting BS propaganda like this that falsely associates the vast majority of Muslims (that support freedom of religion) with a radical Islamic group to portray them as a threat to our American freedoms.


Of interest is that while radical Islam that wants to end religious freedom and impose Sharia Law is a very small percentage of all Muslims based upon a study from 2015 the majority (57%) of Republicans want to end the protections of religious freedom under the Constitution and impose Christianity as the national religion.


https://www.politicususa.com/2015/02...-religion.html

If there's a threat to religious freedom in the United States it's not coming from Muslims. It's coming from Republicans.
That article/poll is from early 2015, and addresses the position in relation to particular candidates. Further, it makes no reference to the specific questions.

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This a radical Islamic group that Muslims don't support.
This is a misdirection, and one that is ALWAYS used by the Left...

"Do you support a particular group?"...The answer will ALWAYS be an overwhelming majority of "no"....and that's because the question is (intentionally) too vague...

How about this question?...

"Do you support the end result of a global Caliphate that a particular group wants, but do not approve of their TACTICS, and believe it should be done through pen, paper and persuasion with people wearing ties instead of bomb vests?"...

That number of "support" would jump considerably...But it will NEVER be asked...
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Maybe most Muslim's in America are for religious freedom, as are most Republicans. But there is know (sic) freaking way that there are that many middle east Muslims that are tolerant of Christians and Jews.

Fact is, when it comes to religious intolerance around the world, they all take a back seat to the Middle East and African Muslims.
Upon what is the conclusion reached that Muslims are intolerant of Jews or Christians? White Supremacist propaganda?

Let me provide an excellent example of Muslim tolerance of the Jewish religion.

While Palestinians are overwhelmingly Muslims the Palestinian Liberation Organization Charter from 1964 it doesn't once mention Islam or the Muslim religion while instead it refers to Palestinian Arabs that were the vast majority of the People of Palestine when Palestine was defined as a "provisional sovereign state" under Article 22 of the Covenant of League of Nations.

The PLO charter explicitly states:
"Article 7: Jews of Palestinian origin are considered Palestinians if they are willing to live peacefully and loyally in Palestine."

There's no difference between a Palestinian Arab and a Palestinian Jew as both are expressly identified as being first and foremost a Palestinian in the PLO charter.

The Palestinians in Article 18 expressly establish that the enemy of the Palestinians are not the Jewish people.
"Article 18: The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate System, and all that has been based on them are considered null and void. The claims of historic and spiritual ties between Jews and Palestine are not in agreement with the facts of history or with the true basis of sound statehood. Judaism, because it is a divine religion, is not a nationality with independent existence. Furthermore, the Jews are not one people with an independent personality because they are citizens to their states."

The Balfour Declaration and the Palestinian Mandate System were both of British origin and exceeded the authority of the British government as the "Mandatory" provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations. Article 22 limited the authority of the Mandatory to assisting and providing advice to the people of Palestine in the creation of a modern democratic government. All actions by the Mandatory had to be based upon the will and consent of the people of Palestine.

As noted the Palestinian Arabs clearly established the fact that Judaism is a "divine religion" and that the Jewish people were not a single nationality with an independent personality because they were citizens of their respective states of birth.

The Palestinian Arabs also established in Article 19 and 20 who the enemy of the Palestinians was and it wasn't the Jewish people.

Article 19: Zionism is a colonialist movement in its inception, aggressive and expansionist in its goal, racist in its configurations, and fascist in its means and aims. Israel, in its capacity as the spearhead of this destructive movement and as the pillar of colonialism, is a permanent source of tension and turmoil in the Middle East, in particular, and to the international community in general. Because of this, the people of Palestine are worthy of the support and sustenance of the community of nations.

Article 20: The causes of peace and security and the requirements of right and justice demand from all nations, in order to safeguard true relationships among peoples and to maintain the loyalty of citizens to their homeland, that they consider Zionism an illegal movement and outlaw its presence and activities.


Zionism is a political ideology not limited to the Jewish people and not supported by the Jewish religion. In the United States alone there are more non-Jewish advocates for Zionism in Palestine than the entire world population of Jews. Zionism is an ideology of supremacy (i.e. Jews are assigned the role of supremacy in "Palestine" under Zionism) and as such it's no different than any other supremacy ideology such as White Supremacy in the United States or Aryan Supremacy under the Nazis in German. A significant percentage of the Jewish people reject the ideology of Zionism because they recognize the political ideological linkage between Zionism and the imposition of Aryan Supremacy under the Nazis.

The enemy of the Palestinian Arab is not the Jewish people. The enemy of the Palestinian Arab are the Zionists that have used military force to take over territory in Palestine that belonged to all Palestinians under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations and Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations.

As the UN Security Council has repeatedly recognized in it's resolutions:
"The inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by the use of force (war)."

Every square inch of territory that the Zionist regime in Israel claims to belong to Israel was taken by force from the "Palestinians" of all religious beliefs in violation of their Right of Self-Determination" under the provisions of the UN Charter and International Law.

Other nations that condemn Israel do so because of Zionism and not because of Judaism that Muslims, in compliance with the Koran, believe is a divine "sister" religion to Islam. The Koran establishes no fundamental difference between the Muslim, the Jew, or the Christian considering them to all be the same basic religion worshipping the God of Abraham.

So I don't know where the belief originates that Muslims are anti-Semitic because that's not reflected in the major political opinions by Muslims or by the religious teachings in the Koran.

The only place this unsupported opinion appears is in the propaganda of those that are religiously intolerant.

That is not to claim that there aren't anti-Semitic Muslims but they're violating the teaching of their own religion as opposed to living in accord with their religious teachings.

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"Do you support the end result of a global Caliphate that a particular group wants, but do not approve of their TACTICS, and believe it should be done through pen, paper and persuasion with people wearing ties instead of bomb vests?"...

That number of "support" would jump considerably...But it will NEVER be asked...
There would be no support by anyone dedicated to that natural/unalienable rights of the person for a global Caliphate or for any dictator, monarch, or other authoritarian type government. Power granted to an individual to control the people is an express violation of the person's natural/unalienable rights.

That inherently eliminates any liberal from ever supporting a Caliphate because liberalism is founded upon the natural/unalienable rights of the person. The political ideology upon which the United States was founded is referred to as "Classical Liberalism" if you take the time to check history.

Conservatives may support a Caliphate because their ideology was based upon government under a monarchy or authoritarian leader but never a liberal. It was the "Conservatives" in the United States that continued to insist upon the violations of the rights of the person when America was founded that were most reflected in the Right of Property established by "title of ownership" (written or implied) that allowed such travesties of natural rights that included "title of ownership of people" and "title of ownership of property" where the "right to possess" under natural law did not exist.

It's always been the Conservatives in America that have stood in opposition to the natural rights of the person. Instead of natural rights the conservatives demand "statutory license" that allow the violation the natural/unalienable rights of the person.

Religious intolerance is a violation of the Rights of the Person and in the United States that intolerance is overwhelmingly reflected by "conservatives" that, even in the best of cases, are closet white nationalists/supremacists.
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There would be no support by anyone dedicated to that natural/unalienable rights of the person for a global Caliphate or for any dictator, monarch, or other authoritarian type government. Power granted to an individual to control the people is an express violation of the person's natural/unalienable rights.
You may take your "white nationalist/supremacist" bullshlt and fertilize your garden with it. What exactly do you think the liberal Democrats want, if not for the government to be in control over every aspect of our lives? Nice steering away from the Islamic Caliphate monkeys, though.
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