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Cadillac is certainly descriptive of the care my spouse receives at the VA.
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I've been receiving my medical care from the VA for the last ten years after being diagnosed with combat related disabilities and illness and the healthcare has been superb at both VA hospitals and my local clinic. While still acceptable when the services have been contracted out to private providers, as it has been a couple of times, the obtaining of the actual health care is far more difficult and time consuming.

The primary problem for the VA healthcare system is a lack of facilities and health care providers both a result of underfunding for the VA.

For example the local clinic where I receive most of my care is authorized three medical doctors and one mental health professional. We've never had more than two medical doctors (for about six months we only had one) and we've never had a mental health professional assigned and mental health is provided for by the nearest VA hospital on a part time basis. The clinic is small and I don't know if it has the space available for an additional doctor and they could certainly provide for more tests and other procedures if they had the equipment.

Yes, there's been a problem when, for example, the Phoenix VA hospital attempted to cover-up the lack of medical personnel to provide services in a timely manner by falsifying the records. Wait times were extremely long because they didn't have enough doctors to cover the patient requirements and the staff screwed up by falsifying the records on the wait times. Huge mistake and they were condemned (and people fired) for this cover-up. But the real problem wasn't the falsification of the records but instead the lack of doctors to treat the number of patients.

Note: The prior post on addressing veterans that died waiting for VA approval is a distortion. If the applicant dies for any reason the record of the application remains open. That's a paperwork problem where the application should have been closed instead of remaining open. As noted some of these open applications dated back years because they weren't closed when the veteran died. It doesn't take all that long to obtain authorization to use the VA medical system but it can take a few months. That could be corrected easily by making it automatic for all veterans to be eligible to use the VA medical system but that would cost more money when Congress won't even fund the current needs of the VA.

Overall though the VA hospitals and clinics do an excellent job with very limited resources due to a lack of adequate funding. Every other veteran I've talked with wants proper funding for the VA and to eliminate the need to outsource the medical services to the private sector. We prefer the VA to provide the medical services and only accept outsourcing in cases where the VA has been underfunded and can't provide the services until it's properly funded.

So in a very real sense I agree with AOC - The VA does offer "Cadillac" services whenever it has the staff and facilities to provide those services. The only problem is that underfunding by Congress creates the problems we see with the VA healthcare system.

Adequate funding and automatic enrollment in the VA healthcare system for all veterans are the only two recommendations I'd make as a person using VA medical services. The staff and providers in the VA system can't be beat.
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Cadillac is certainly descriptive of the care my spouse receives at the VA.
It's also descriptive of the care I receive at the VA clinic and hospital that I use. The providers and services I receive are better than anything I received in the private sector before my enrollment in the VA system. One important factor is that, from what I can tell, the majority of those working at the VA seem to be veterans or at the very least very sympathetic to the special needs of veterans. Every veteran is important to them and we can feel the special care they provide to us.
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The reason AOC is blabbing lies about the great VA system is because everyone knows, it is the model on which government healthcare will be based. Therefore, admission of failure would be political suicide for anyone running on a pro socialist agenda.

The VA system is hardly Cadillac. It certainly is imperfect. But for many, it is what they can afford and/or what they earned for military service. It should be the best medical care in the world. It isn't.

And no amount of propaganda lies can change that.
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The reason AOC is blabbing lies about the great VA system is because everyone knows, it is the model on which government healthcare will be based. Therefore, admission of failure would be political suicide for anyone running on a pro socialist agenda.

The VA system is hardly Cadillac. It certainly is imperfect. But for many, it is what they can afford and/or what they earned for military service. It should be the best medical care in the world. It isn't.

And no amount of propaganda lies can change that.
That's what I think also, if the Leftists have their way ALL of us will be on Medicare, can you even imagine 321 million people on a govt health care system.
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The reason AOC is blabbing lies about the great VA system is because everyone knows, it is the model on which government healthcare will be based. Therefore, admission of failure would be political suicide for anyone running on a pro socialist agenda.

The VA system is hardly Cadillac. It certainly is imperfect. But for many, it is what they can afford and/or what they earned for military service. It should be the best medical care in the world. It isn't.

And no amount of propaganda lies can change that.
The VA health care system has absolutely nothing to do with the proposals for universal health care by the Democrats. Democrats are referring to "Medicare for all" in one form or another where the government provides the insurance.

There's no insurance related to the VA that provides the hospitals, clinics, doctors and staff for medical services.
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Cadillac is certainly descriptive of the care my spouse receives at the VA.
Well if you have always drove a hoopty car, then even a KIA would seem like a Cadillac.
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The VA health care system has absolutely nothing to do with the proposals for universal health care by the Democrats. Democrats are referring to "Medicare for all" in one form or another where the government provides the insurance.

There's no insurance related to the VA that provides the hospitals, clinics, doctors and staff for medical services.

Gubmit health care is gubmit healthcare. No matter what you name it. You might as well claim the new Democrat proposals aren't like Medicaid. When most likely, they will turn out to be,,,,eventually.

Factually speaking,,; You cannot make any claims that the new proposals will be anything, I mean anything, any more than I can say what they will or won't be. I can only refer to what has been experienced in other nations. And suggest the likelyhood of what I think will be the results.
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Some nations have created great service systems that work well. None have been economically cheap. Obamacare was supposed to make health insurance affordable. It did not. What it has done as a by product of associated regulations on the insurance industry and the delivery of care, has deeply affected how healthcare is provided.

Sadly for most Americans, not in a good way. "If you like your Insurance, you can keep it"....Barak H Obama

But the question here is what conditions are at the VA. Your tangential argument has said nothing with regards to that. Are you accepting that the VA system is faulty, or a sterling "Cadillac" service?
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There's one person who thinks AOC is right, Trump.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-because-of-me

And he wants all the credit for how great the VA system is now. I expect the same criticism AOC got for praising the VA.
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That's what I think also, if the Leftists have their way ALL of us will be on Medicare, can you even imagine 321 million people on a govt health care system.
Nope. I stay away from Hallucinogenic drugs.
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