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Old 04-13-2019, 12:19 AM
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Default Trump told CBP head he'd pardon if he were sent to jail for violating immigration law

"Don't let any migrants in, and if you go to jail for breaking the law I've got your back bro" -Stable Genius.

Seriously tho, this is pretty brazen even for Trump. This is outright intent to break the law. Knowing that the consequences of his orders could send them to jail, he offered reprieve by pardon. And before this, telling federal personnel to illegally deny asylum seekers, and then commit perjury in front of a judge by telling them "we're full, we had to deny them." But of course, all before threatening to bus immigrants to so-called sanctuary cities to own them libbies.

That's some weird mix of sputtering and abuse of office.

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Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump told Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Kevin McAleenan he would grant McAleenan a pardon if he were sent to jail for having border agents block asylum seekers from entering the US in defiance of US law, senior administration officials tell CNN.

Trump reportedly made the comment during a visit to the border at Calexico, California, a week ago. It was not clear if the comment was a joke.
Two officials briefed on the exchange say the President told McAleenan, since named the acting secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, that he "would pardon him if he ever went to jail for denying US entry to migrants," as one of the officials paraphrased.

The White House referred CNN to the Department of Homeland Security. A DHS spokesman told CNN, "At no time has the President indicated, asked, directed or pressured the Acting Secretary to do anything illegal. Nor would the Acting Secretary take actions that are not in accordance with our responsibility to enforce the law."

The exchange came amid threats by the President to close the border in response to a steep uptick of migrants at the border. In March, there were approximately 92,000 arrests of undocumented migrants for illegal entry on the southern border, up from 37,390 last March, according to CBP.

During his visit to Calexico last Friday, Trump said on camera: "We're full, our system's full, our country's full -- can't come in! Our country is full, what can you do? We can't handle any more, our country is full. Can't come in, I'm sorry. It's very simple."

Behind the scenes, two sources told CNN, the President told border agents to not let migrants in. Tell them we don't have the capacity, he said. If judges give you trouble, say, "Sorry, judge, I can't do it. We don't have the room."

After the President left the room, agents sought further advice from their leaders, who told them they were not giving them that direction and if they did what the President said they would take on personal liability. You have to follow the law, they were told.

Trump has grown frustrated by the number of migrants apprehended at the southern border, placing blame on Democrats and the nation's immigration laws. On Friday, the President said he's considering releasing immigrants into so-called sanctuary cities in part to retaliate against Democrats, undercutting earlier denials from his own administration officials.

"Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws, we are indeed, as reported, giving strong considerations to placing Illegal Immigrants in Sanctuary Cities only," Trump said on Twitter. "The Radical Left always seems to have an Open Borders, Open Arms policy -- so this should make them very happy!"

Yet the White House received legal guidance months ago that such a policy would run afoul of the law, open the administration to lawsuits, and ultimately undermine the President's desire to deport undocumented immigrants.


In February, according to documents obtained by CNN, the general counsel for the Department of Homeland Security, John Mitnick, told the White House in writing that such a move could only be done if there was a "strong, mission-related rationale" pertaining to the responsibilities of the department.

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What asylum seekers? And the sanctuary cities will most heartily welcome the freeloaders in. What's the problem? I don't see any abuse of office either.
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If we still cared about the Constitution, this would be an automatic impeachable offense. In fact, abuse of the pardon power was one presidential act that the drafters of the Constitution cited as a reason to impeach and remove a president from office. But, in modern, amoral Trump America, we just ignore the fact that the president is a corrupt clown.
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It was not clear if the comment was a joke.
And instead of asking, they write the f**kin' article anyway and create the narrative that it wasn't even though they don't know...And then threads get started acting as if they know the answer, too...
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And instead of asking, they write the f**kin' article anyway and create the narrative that it wasn't even though they don't know...And then threads get started acting as if they know the answer, too...
So basically tRUmp tells people to break the law and if they face repercussions he will pardon them, and the best the right wing has to offer is, "It was a joke, cant you guys take a joke?"

Even though the guy obviously didn't think it was a joke when he heard it because he immediately told everyone not to listen to the President and follow the law.

And you guys wonder why I call you all cultists who are preferring to remain willfully ignorant.

Huge news flash for you, NOTHING tRUmp says is a joke. You'd think the last 2 years would have proven that to you.
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If we still cared about the Constitution, this would be an automatic impeachable offense. In fact, abuse of the pardon power was one presidential act that the drafters of the Constitution cited as a reason to impeach and remove a president from office. But, in modern, amoral Trump America, we just ignore the fact that the president is a corrupt clown.
its not even big news. The so called liberal media isn't even talking about it besides a minor blip. Death by a thousand cuts. It is the stuff of the world's most dysfunctional governments. But rather than generating a response from within our system commensurate with the threat, nothing happens. The GOP in the Senate circle round the president and support his constant abuses. And in so doing, they send a message that they would never challenge him much less convict him of the myriad crimes he has committed. The checks and balances our system was built upon are gone.
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So basically tRUmp tells people to break the law and if they face repercussions he will pardon them, and the best the right wing has to offer is, "It was a joke, cant you guys take a joke?"

Even though the guy obviously didn't think it was a joke when he heard it because he immediately told everyone not to listen to the President and follow the law.

And you guys wonder why I call you all cultists who are preferring to remain willfully ignorant.

Huge news flash for you, NOTHING tRUmp says is a joke. You'd think the last 2 years would have proven that to you.
The fact is, that Trump messes with Liberal heads on a daily basis.

The right sees these words for what they are, words that enrage the left wing haters! Which is funny to me. The left adds their own spin to it, and scares themselves silly, and ruins their day, almost every day.
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its not even big news. The so called liberal media isn't even talking about it besides a minor blip. Death by a thousand cuts. It is the stuff of the world's most dysfunctional governments. But rather than generating a response from within our system commensurate with the threat, nothing happens. The GOP in the Senate circle round the president and support his constant abuses. And in so doing, they send a message that they would never challenge him much less convict him of the myriad crimes he has committed. The checks and balances our system was built upon are gone.
Incredible, you are so far gone that you think even the MSM is protecting Trump.

Talk about going off the deep end.
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The fact is, that Trump messes with Liberal heads on a daily basis.

The right sees these words for what they are, words that enrage the left wing haters! Which is funny to me. The left adds their own spin to it, and scares themselves silly, and ruins their day, almost every day.
It's hard not too hate trump. He has no respect for the law or the office he holds. I believe he has no respect for anyone or anything but himself as he broadcasts his ignorance and stupidity daily on his phone.
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What asylum seekers? And the sanctuary cities will most heartily welcome the freeloaders in. What's the problem? I don't see any abuse of office either.
The thousands of migrant refugees from Central America that have been turned away at US ports of entry in violation of the Refugee Act of 1980 that, because of the humanitarian crisis created by them not being allowed to apply as refugees, are then forced to unlawfully enter the United States to apply for asylum. Those asylum seekers.

There's really no such thing as a sanctuary city. Those cities that are called sanctuary cities are the ones that place local law enforcement efforts above Trump's draconian anti-immigration policies. Local law enforcement is not responsible for enforcement of federal immigration laws.

Asylum seekers and immigrants, legal or illegal, are not "freeloaders" based upon the studies done. Overall immigrants, legal and illegal, pay more in local, state, and federal taxes than they receive in benefits and by the end of ten years of residency they pay more in taxes than Americans in the same income brackets.

When a president knowingly and intentionally violates the law it's abuse of power. President Trump knows he's breaking the law in his immigration actions, such as his "no tolerance" family separation policy, his refusal to allow refugees to apply for asylum when they arrive at a US port of entry, and his forcing asylum seekers to remain in Mexico until their case comes up in the immigration courts.

No President in history has had the federal courts rule their actions are unlawful, unconstitutional, or both more than President Trump. Trump has a 6% winning average in the federal courts.

Note: Trump's promise of a pardon to the head of the CPB if he will commit a crime is a conspiracy to commit a crime and obstruction of justice both of which are abuse of power.

Trump's playing with the head of the US Treasury right now as well. The Treasury has received a lawful request for Trump's tax records and the law states that he "shall" furnish them. This is not a request for the president to turn over his tax records. It's an interbranch of government request that Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin must comply with. Failure to comply under the law requires Mnuchin to be removed from office and subjects him to prosecution where he can be fined $5,000, sentenced to 5 years in prison, or both. Donald Trump has no "standing" to object because he's already turned his tax records over to the government. This is purely between the Treasury and the House Ways and Means committee.
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