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Looks like to me the Obama Admin or some elements DID in fact spy on Trump.
to me that doesn't seem like it's that outlandish at all. the surveillance State apparatus is there and it will be used.
It has been used.
the CIA and FBI have admitted to illegally spying on congress. So how's the ethical line on spying on political candidates come before that?
I suspect that EVERY presidential, congressional and gubernatorial political candidate has had various U.S. Intel agencies spying on them. "for national security purposes" of course. -cough-

All this 'maybe so maybe no' stuff is kinda silly based on what we know about Gov't surveillance and how many times they've been caught in lies about how they don't or didn't spy on this or that group/person in this or that way.
How many Snowdens, Assanges, NSA whistle blowers etc. does it take for us to the message.
Of course they spied on Trump.

The only questions really are, who did it exactly, and what did they want to use it for.
I believe we agree here.

The big question is not that they spied on candidate Trump or members of his campaign team. It's did they do so in collusion with and/or support of the Hilary campaign?

Did they in fact weaponize the Intel community, the CIA, the FBI and the DOJ, to suppress Hillary's admitted crimes and attempt to prosecute Donald Trump on false testimony. All in an effort to effect the outcome of the 2016 elections. And by extension the 2018 elections as well.
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I've never know Hairy to LIE. And he didn't here. Hairy said The Ag says there is evidence. The AG did say that.
What evidence?
Where did Barr claim that there was actual evidence that spying occurred?
Quote what Barr said saying that he had evidence.
Amusingly, the word "evidence" is not even present in the article that HJ linked to.

Furthermore, how is it "spin" TO EXPLICITLY QUOTE WHAT BARR ACTUALLY SAID???
Barr would later hedge somewhat, adding "I am not saying that improper surveillance occurred. I am saying that I am concerned about it and looking into it. That's all."
Right underneath the title of the BLAZE article are the following words...
He said he wanted to look into the possibility of 'unauthorized surveillance' of the campaign
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Your version of "winning" is to tell others over and over that they lost while completely failing to address their arguments.
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Business Insider magazine 2013
ORIGINAL NSA WHISTLEBLOWER: I Saw The Order To Wiretap Barack Obama In 2004

Russ Tice worked as an offensive National Security Agency (NSA) analyst from 2002 to 2005, before becoming a source for this Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Times article exposing NSA domestic spying.
This week he appeared on the Boiling Frogs Show and detailed how he had his hands "in the nitty-gritty, the nuts and bolts" during his 20 years as a U.S. intelligence analyst.
Tice claimed that he held NSA wiretap orders targeting numerous members of the U.S. government, including one for a young senator from Illinois named Barack Obama.
"In the summer of 2004, one of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with a forty-some-year-old senator from Illinois. You wouldn't happen to know where that guy lives now would you? It's a big White House in Washington D.C. That's who the NSA went after. That's the President of the United States now." ...
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-...ss-tice-2013-6
Yes, U.S. Intel Agencies spied on Trump. "the deep state" or whatever you want to call it. That's what they do. And congress and the last 4 presidents know it and do zip about it... in fact they've enabled it.
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A Brief History of the CIA's Unpunished Spying on the Senate
This is the story of John Brennan's CIA spying on Congress and getting away with it....
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...senate/384003/
portions of our Intel agencies spy without regard to constitutional law and on the side literally get away with murder.
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Business Insider magazine 2013
ORIGINAL NSA WHISTLEBLOWER: I Saw The Order To Wiretap Barack Obama In 2004

Russ Tice worked as an offensive National Security Agency (NSA) analyst from 2002 to 2005, before becoming a source for this Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Times article exposing NSA domestic spying.
This week he appeared on the Boiling Frogs Show and detailed how he had his hands "in the nitty-gritty, the nuts and bolts" during his 20 years as a U.S. intelligence analyst.
Tice claimed that he held NSA wiretap orders targeting numerous members of the U.S. government, including one for a young senator from Illinois named Barack Obama.
"In the summer of 2004, one of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with a forty-some-year-old senator from Illinois. You wouldn't happen to know where that guy lives now would you? It's a big White House in Washington D.C. That's who the NSA went after. That's the President of the United States now." ...
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-...ss-tice-2013-6
Yes, U.S. Intel Agencies spied on Trump. "the deep state" or whatever you want to call it. That's what they do. And congress and the last 4 presidents know it and do zip about it... in fact they've enabled it.

Am I reading this right?
You just linked to an article that states OBAMA WAS SPIED UPON under the Bush administration (2004)...
... as evidence that Obama spied on Trump?
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The big question is not that they spied on candidate Trump or members of his campaign team. It's did they do so in collusion with and/or support of the Hilary campaign?
It was most likely Pantsuit or Obama.
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Am I reading this right?
You just linked to an article that states OBAMA WAS SPIED UPON under the Bush administration (2004)...
... as evidence that Obama spied on Trump?
You're reading it, but not quite right.
what i'm pointing out is the history pattern of abuse by the intel agencies
The president in the seat isn't the main issue here. The fuller account of what former NSA whistle blower reveled is that it wasn't JUST Obama or people of the left. But also people on the right like NOW supreme Justice Roberts before he was on the court.
Nere's a link to a portion of the one interview he did. Where he describes what he saw and held in his hands as an NSA employee. So that he felt like he was working at J Edgar Hoovers FBI. And not as "Bush" or "Obama" employee.
https://www.newsbud.com/?powerpress_pinw=20927-preview

So yes based on this and the LONG train of well known but little mentioned abuses by the intel agencies, i'm convince they Spied on Trump Sanders, and many others.
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What evidence?
Where did Barr claim that there was actual evidence that spying occurred?
Quote what Barr said saying that he had evidence.
Amusingly, the word "evidence" is not even present in the article that HJ linked to.

Furthermore, how is it "spin" TO EXPLICITLY QUOTE WHAT BARR ACTUALLY SAID???
Barr would later hedge somewhat, adding "I am not saying that improper surveillance occurred. I am saying that I am concerned about it and looking into it. That's all."
Right underneath the title of the BLAZE article are the following words...
He said he wanted to look into the possibility of 'unauthorized surveillance' of the campaign
And you sir either failed to follow up, read or intentionally have omitted my post #18 which said exactly that, without the hyperbole of caps and type size.I'll save you the trouble of looking. Please note, I included a link to Barr actually speaking on the issue.
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I got pulled away by work of all things and could not extend my remarks.

I don't think AG Barr actually told the House Judiciary that he had evidence of spying. There is plenty of evidence of spying into the trump campaign. So, that is just generally known. What he said was that he "believed there was spying" but needed to ascertain if it was LEGAL.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ty/3421411002/

I believe Foundit 66 seized on the words said and suggested what he believed they could mean.
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