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Old 04-03-2019, 10:44 AM
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Just like the law enforcement people in those "Sanctuary cities" choose not to obey the law dealing with illegal aliens, eh?
Yes exactly like that.
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Old 04-03-2019, 11:02 AM
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The sheriff is wrong he was elected to enforce laws not pick which laws he agrees with and only enforce those ones.
The sheriff also took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United states which takes priority above all other laws. The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the law. Which means lower state laws that contradict it are invalid. The elected officials who enact unconstitutional laws should be removed from office,jailed and never be allowed to serve in elected or appointed office again.
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Yes exactly like that.
Superficially the situations appear to be parallel but really, the areas the article discusses only seeks to protect the exerxise of rights recognized to exist for centuries and only recently decided to be subject to limits and infringements.

For the gun sanctuaries to be the same as immigration sanctuaries, those jurisdictions would be welcoming criminals and insane people -- those who are forbidden under federal law from even touching a gun-- to own and use and walk around with all manner of guns, even guns under strict federal regulation like machine guns and sawed-off shotguns.

To really be parallel, these jurisdictions would frustrate all attempts of federal enforcement of gun laws and in some of the more ridiculous, would offer these criminals free legal representation if they are arrested and charged by the feds for illegal gun possession.

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Superficially the situations appear to be parallel but really, the areas the article discusses only seeks to protect the exerxise of rights recognized to exist for centuries and only recently decided to be subject to limits and infringements.

For the gun sanctuaries to be the same as immigration sanctuaries, those jurisdictions would be welcoming criminals and insane people -- those who are forbidden under federal law from even touching a gun-- to own and use and walk around with all manner of guns, even guns under strict federal regulation like machine guns and sawed-off shotguns.

To really be parallel, these jurisdictions would frustrate all attempts of federal enforcement of gun laws and in some of the more ridiculous, would offer these criminals free legal representation if they are arrested and charged by the feds for illegal gun possession.

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Old 04-03-2019, 11:31 AM
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Superficially the situations appear to be parallel but really, the areas the article discusses only seeks to protect the exerxise of rights recognized to exist for centuries and only recently decided to be subject to limits and infringements.

For the gun sanctuaries to be the same as immigration sanctuaries, those jurisdictions would be welcoming criminals and insane people -- those who are forbidden under federal law from even touching a gun-- to own and use and walk around with all manner of guns, even guns under strict federal regulation like machine guns and sawed-off shotguns.

To really be parallel, these jurisdictions would frustrate all attempts of federal enforcement of gun laws and in some of the more ridiculous, would offer these criminals free legal representation if they are arrested and charged by the feds for illegal gun possession.

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That is correct. I think the Sheriff was making a jab at the sanctuary cities when he declared his jurisdiction a "sanctuary". I forget what news I got that from. I look at it as a sanctuary against anti-gun weenies, and those include the stupid imbeciles signing thse laws into existence, and their law enforcement monkeys.
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Just like the law enforcement people in those "Sanctuary cities" choose not to obey the law dealing with illegal aliens, eh?
Check out Printz vs US

It stated that STATE employees cannot be commandeered to do FEDERAL employees work, which in the Printz case was to enforce the Brady bill. But in your comment meant to commandeer state employees to do the federal work of dealing with illegal aliens.
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The sheriff also took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United states which takes priority above all other laws. The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the law. Which means lower state laws that contradict it are invalid. The elected officials who enact unconstitutional laws should be removed from office,jailed and never be allowed to serve in elected or appointed office again.

And see here is where we have the whole Judicial System to determine if a law is constitutional or not. It is not the Sheriffs job to unilaterally declare that a law is unconstitutional. It is the 3rd Branch of Governments job to do that.

I expect more from peace officers than to have knee jerk reactions like this, they should trust in the system, if it is indeed unconstitutional as you claim then the courts will figure it out in due time. I can allow some extreme exceptions to that rule, this isn't one of them.

By the way, i think 13 other states have passed the same law, so I'm pretty sure its not unconstitutional.
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By the way, i think 13 other states have passed the same law, so I'm pretty sure its not unconstitutional.
What, in the name of Zeus's butthole, do you call that reasoning?

Example--"By the way, i think 13 states have passed the law making it okie-dokie to murder people you don't like, so, I'm pretty sure its not unconstitutional.
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Check out Printz vs US

It stated that STATE employees cannot be commandeered to do FEDERAL employees work, which in the Printz case was to enforce the Brady bill. But in your comment meant to commandeer state employees to do the federal work of dealing with illegal aliens.
Manitou's translation of the above--"Only my reasoning is okay. Leave the illegals be."
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Manitou's translation of the above--"Only my reasoning is okay. Leave the illegals be."
literally the Supreme Court of the United States of America's reasoning. I'm gonna go with their judgment over yours.
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