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I've not had the opportunity to read the full text of Trump's 2019 speech at CPAC (a text transcript wasn't available when I did a search) but the excerpts I've seen and read are truly pathetic.

All actions of an elected official, and most notably the President, are opened to the scrutiny of the press, law enforcement, and Congressional oversight when a person is elected. Trump is not unique and the press and law enforcement are not treating Donald Trump any differently than any other president.

We can start with this.

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“Unfortunately you put the wrong people in a couple of positions and you leave people for a long time that shouldn’t be there and all of a sudden they’re trying to take you out with bull****,” he told the crowd, referring to special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian meddling in U.S. elections and possible collusion between Trump campaign associates and the Kremlin.
In fiery CPAC speech, Trump blasts Democrats, Mueller probe

Trump and his associates brought on the investigation into possible connections with the Russians by being devious and dishonest about their contacts with the Russians. When you lie about contacts and conceal them it hints of criminal activity and that's exactly what Trump, his campaign, and Trump's associates did during the campaign. When notified by the FBI of Russian attempts to create connections with the two major campaigns the Trump campaign covered up it's contacts with the Russians and that was grounds to begin the investigation. Trump brought this all on himself when he lied about his campaign contacts with the Russians and his personal contacts with the Russians over the Trump Moscow project.

Trump is also referring to two different investigations because his concerns are currently focused on the investigations unrelated to the Russian intervention in our elections and the connections between Trump campaign members and associates and the Russians

Trump's concerned today is with the SDNY criminal investigations into his business, charity, inaugural committed, and other actions unrelated to Mueller's investigation. He's failed to acknowledge that all of these investigations by the SDNY are based upon his questionable actions that provide the foundation for criminal investigations.


One SDNY investigations covers the violations of campaign finance laws to influence an elections, a felony, where a conviction has already been obtained and where the testimony and other evidence establishes more than just ample grounds for a criminal investigation by the SDNY. The evidence and testimony is far more than is necessary for a criminal indictment and only DOJ policy prevents that indictment from being handed down on Donald Trump. That conspiracy to commit election campaign finance fraud extends from before the election to Aug 2017 based upon hard documentary evidence that implicates Donald Trump, Trump Jr., and Allen Weisselberg, the CFO of the Trump Organization and the documents also establish tax fraud in the reimbursement payments to Michael Cohen for his payment to Stormy Denials in a nefarious attempt to shield Donald Trump from being connected to the payments.

This investigation also points to tax fraud being committed by the Trump organization by falsely claiming the payments for Cohen were retainer agreement payments when a retainer agreement never existed.

The rebuttal by some of Trump's supporters are that the payments were made to keep Trump's wife from finding out about his affairs but Melania Trump has already said that Trump's sexual affairs with other women don't bother her at all. "It comes with marrying someone like Trump" she explained to the press recently.

If Trump didn't want to be investigated for committing campaign finance violations and tax fraud he shouldn't have engaged in committing campaign finance law violations and tax fraud.

Trump super-inflated the value of one of his properties on a loan application. A property in up state NY that he purchased for $7.5 million in 1995, and that he declared was worth between $25-40 million on his 2017 presidential financial statement was inflated to $291 million on his loan application and there's documents to prove this. A quarter billion dollar inflated value is more than a simply mistake. It's a premeditated attempt to commit fraud on a loan application. If Trump didn't want to be investigated for bank fraud he wouldn't have made a quarter of a billion over-estimate on the value of property that he knows isn't worth nearly that much.

This takes us back to a line often used by Trump supporters.

Elections have consequences and one consequence is that if you're elected to be the President of the United States then you're going to be investigated. It's happened to every single person every to be elected as the President and Trump doesn't get a free pass that prevents investigations into his criminal activities before and during his presidency.

It's pathetic that he believes he should be treated as an exception that's exempt from being investigated for criminal acts and it's pathetic that those in the crowd and CPAC bought into his BS that he should be exempt.
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There is a difference between being investigated for something you actually did, and being investigated to try and find something to incriminate you with.

If you can't see the difference, then perhaps you need to do some research to understand what the actual criminal process is.

I'm sure that most anti-Trumpers will be orgasmic when they finally find an unpaid parking ticket, or an over due library book.
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Trump super-inflated the value of one of his properties on a loan application. A property in up state NY that he purchased for $7.5 million in 1995, and that he declared was worth between $25-40 million on his 2017 presidential financial statement was inflated to $291 million on his loan application and there's documents to prove this. A quarter billion dollar inflated value is more than a simply mistake. It's a premeditated attempt to commit fraud on a loan application. If Trump didn't want to be investigated for bank fraud he wouldn't have made a quarter of a billion over-estimate on the value of property that he knows isn't worth nearly that much.
edited by me to address this point.

The 'document' I've seen people post, is falsified. First, you do not combine business assets with personal assets on a Statement of Financial Position. Second, the type face of the 2 on the line with his supposed value of his residence is different, plus the tail of the '9' is below where the 2 is. Look at any other positioning of numbers, and it is clear this has been manipulated.

Third, Trump himself would not have completed such a document, it would have been prepared by a CPA, not only because of the size of the monetary values involved, Statements of Financial Position require compiled and/or audited financials, Liabilities , K-1s, tax returns, and Auditor's Statement. I'm sure I missed one or two, but to take this as an legitimate document, pretty much says you do not understand the first thing about financial presentations.

Fourth, all assets as such would have been subject to appraisal by the lending institution. Adjustments would have been made to consider it as a deciding factor in the loan process.

Fifth, the document is dated 2012. What that has to do with something supposedly happening in 2016, only the Democrats know.

Sixth, this is one page, that says nothing about what it is being used for. I don't recall there being a proper heading, a signature, a date of preparation (As Of is not necessarily the actual preparation date.)

Until any of the above is presented as a full, signed, dated and delivered to Duetsch Bank, it is Internet Hearsay.
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i have to preface this with i didn’t vote for trump.
however, this probing investigation stuff seems to be just political bullschitt.
bullschitt that now is likely to be done to every president in the future by the opposing party.
i didn’t watch or read any of the cpac stuff.
i did, however, see a photo of trump hugging the American flag.
i don’t care what side of the aisle you’re on that looked even more awkward than michael jackson and lisa marie’s kiss on the mtv video music awards back in the ‘90s.
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I've not had the opportunity to read the full text of Trump's 2019 speech at CPAC (a text transcript wasn't available when I did a search) but the excerpts I've seen and read are truly pathetic.

All actions of an elected official, and most notably the President, are opened to the scrutiny of the press, law enforcement, and Congressional oversight when a person is elected. Trump is not unique and the press and law enforcement are not treating Donald Trump any differently than any other president.

We can start with this.


In fiery CPAC speech, Trump blasts Democrats, Mueller probe

Trump and his associates brought on the investigation into possible connections with the Russians by being devious and dishonest about their contacts with the Russians. When you lie about contacts and conceal them it hints of criminal activity and that's exactly what Trump, his campaign, and Trump's associates did during the campaign. When notified by the FBI of Russian attempts to create connections with the two major campaigns the Trump campaign covered up it's contacts with the Russians and that was grounds to begin the investigation. Trump brought this all on himself when he lied about his campaign contacts with the Russians and his personal contacts with the Russians over the Trump Moscow project.

Trump is also referring to two different investigations because his concerns are currently focused on the investigations unrelated to the Russian intervention in our elections and the connections between Trump campaign members and associates and the Russians

Trump's concerned today is with the SDNY criminal investigations into his business, charity, inaugural committed, and other actions unrelated to Mueller's investigation. He's failed to acknowledge that all of these investigations by the SDNY are based upon his questionable actions that provide the foundation for criminal investigations.


One SDNY investigations covers the violations of campaign finance laws to influence an elections, a felony, where a conviction has already been obtained and where the testimony and other evidence establishes more than just ample grounds for a criminal investigation by the SDNY. The evidence and testimony is far more than is necessary for a criminal indictment and only DOJ policy prevents that indictment from being handed down on Donald Trump. That conspiracy to commit election campaign finance fraud extends from before the election to Aug 2017 based upon hard documentary evidence that implicates Donald Trump, Trump Jr., and Allen Weisselberg, the CFO of the Trump Organization and the documents also establish tax fraud in the reimbursement payments to Michael Cohen for his payment to Stormy Denials in a nefarious attempt to shield Donald Trump from being connected to the payments.

This investigation also points to tax fraud being committed by the Trump organization by falsely claiming the payments for Cohen were retainer agreement payments when a retainer agreement never existed.

The rebuttal by some of Trump's supporters are that the payments were made to keep Trump's wife from finding out about his affairs but Melania Trump has already said that Trump's sexual affairs with other women don't bother her at all. "It comes with marrying someone like Trump" she explained to the press recently.

If Trump didn't want to be investigated for committing campaign finance violations and tax fraud he shouldn't have engaged in committing campaign finance law violations and tax fraud.

Trump super-inflated the value of one of his properties on a loan application. A property in up state NY that he purchased for $7.5 million in 1995, and that he declared was worth between $25-40 million on his 2017 presidential financial statement was inflated to $291 million on his loan application and there's documents to prove this. A quarter billion dollar inflated value is more than a simply mistake. It's a premeditated attempt to commit fraud on a loan application. If Trump didn't want to be investigated for bank fraud he wouldn't have made a quarter of a billion over-estimate on the value of property that he knows isn't worth nearly that much.

This takes us back to a line often used by Trump supporters.

Elections have consequences and one consequence is that if you're elected to be the President of the United States then you're going to be investigated. It's happened to every single person every to be elected as the President and Trump doesn't get a free pass that prevents investigations into his criminal activities before and during his presidency.

It's pathetic that he believes he should be treated as an exception that's exempt from being investigated for criminal acts and it's pathetic that those in the crowd and CPAC bought into his BS that he should be exempt.

He's so transparently guilty it's pathetic yes, spending all his time criticizing law enforcement and congress. me thinks he dost protest too much
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i have to preface this with i didn’t vote for trump.
however, this probing investigation stuff seems to be just political bullschitt.
bullschitt that now is likely to be done to every president in the future by the opposing party.
i didn’t watch or read any of the cpac stuff.
i did, however, see a photo of trump hugging the American flag.
i don’t care what side of the aisle you’re on that looked even more awkward than michael jackson and lisa marie’s kiss on the mtv video music awards back in the ‘90s.
If every president in the future has criminals surrounding him, working for him, I don't mind t all if they are investigated.
you act like Mueller has found nothing.
Trump's foreign policy adviser, campaign chair, national security adviser, and a campaign aid all plead guilty to various crimes including financial crimes and false statements, and obstructing justice
Trump's lawyer was charged with campaign finance fraud among other crimes.
Others in his orbit committed other related crimes but these guys were on Trump's team-in his inner circle.
Plus we have the fact that Trump lies.
He lies, he lies, he LIES. All the time even when the truth might benefit him. So how can you believe when he tries so hard to stop an investigation into himself that there's nothing there?
Do you really think Michael Cohen took out a mortgage on his house to pay off a mistress that wasn't even his mistress but his boss's mistress? Cause it's already been established she was Trump's mistress. And nobody not even Melania cares about that however she was paid off to keep bad publicity from showing up that would hurt Trump's ongoing Presidential campaign. So the money is considered a donation. Over the limit and undeclared. And a conspiracy came about to cover that up.
So you say what about Russia. I think they'll find money laundering but let's say they don't. Mueller was tasked with that and given authority to prosecute any crimes he uncovered in the process.
PLUS, the state of New York is prosecuting some of these crimes.
That's not all but it should be enough to make you realize the investigation of Mueller's office is not partisan.
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If every president in the future has criminals surrounding him, working for him, I don't mind t all if they are investigated.
you act like Mueller has found nothing.
Trump's foreign policy adviser, campaign chair, national security adviser, and a campaign aid all plead guilty to various crimes including financial crimes and false statements, and obstructing justice
Trump's lawyer was charged with campaign finance fraud among other crimes.
Others in his orbit committed other related crimes but these guys were on Trump's team-in his inner circle.
Plus we have the fact that Trump lies.
He lies, he lies, he LIES. All the time even when the truth might benefit him. So how can you believe when he tries so hard to stop an investigation into himself that there's nothing there?
Do you really think Michael Cohen took out a mortgage on his house to pay off a mistress that wasn't even his mistress but his boss's mistress? Cause it's already been established she was Trump's mistress. And nobody not even Melania cares about that however she was paid off to keep bad publicity from showing up that would hurt Trump's ongoing Presidential campaign. So the money is considered a donation. Over the limit and undeclared. And a conspiracy came about to cover that up.
So you say what about Russia. I think they'll find money laundering but let's say they don't. Mueller was tasked with that and given authority to prosecute any crimes he uncovered in the process.
PLUS, the state of New York is prosecuting some of these crimes.
That's not all but it should be enough to make you realize the investigation of Mueller's office is not partisan.
On the contrary, Mueller's witch hunt is entirely partisan. He started by stocking his team with exclusively Trump hating Democrats then elevated an attorney whose malfeasance including withholding exculpatory evidence from discovery has led to several of his high profile convictions being overturned and ought to have gotten him disbarred at the least.

Mueller ignored an identical set of facts implicating the brother of Hillary's campaign manager to persecute Trump's former campaign manager on unrelated charges with a predawn raid on a cooperating suspect. Manafort is held gulag style in solitary confinement.

FBI agents had a transcript of Flynn's conversation with the Russian ambassador but chose to set a perjury trap for General Flynn instead asking him questions they already knew the answers to. Even so, the agents reported back the were satisfied with his answers. But, that wasn't enough for Mueller's lynch mob.

Prosecution 101 teaches that the last change you want to put on someone who may have information helpful to you case is lying. It destroys credibility with the jury when the case comes to trial. But what did Mueller charge Popadopolos, Flynn, Cohen, etc with? Lying. That is something a partisan zealot abusing his power would do, not someone pursuing justice.
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