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Chávez's socialist ideology and the tensions between the Venezuelan and the United States governments had little impact on economic relations between the two countries. On September 15, 2005, President Bush designated Venezuela as a country that has "failed demonstrably during the previous 12 months to adhere to their obligations under international counternarcotics agreements." However, at the same time, the President waived the economic sanctions that would normally accompany such a designation, because they would have curtailed his government's assistance for democracy programs in Venezuela.[30] In 2006, the United States remained Venezuela's most important trading partner for both oil exports and general imports – bilateral trade expanded 36% during that year[31] As of 2007, the U.S. imported more than $40 billion in oil from Venezuela and the trade between the countries topped $50 billion despite the tumultuous relationship between the two.[32]

With rising oil prices and Venezuela’s oil exports accounting for the bulk of trade, bilateral trade between the US and Venezuela surged, with US companies and the Venezuelan government benefiting.[33] Nonetheless, since May 2006, the Department of State, pursuant to Section 40A of the Arms Export Control Act, has prohibited the sale of defense articles and services to Venezuela because of lack of cooperation on anti-terrorism efforts.[34]
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Since the start of the George W. Bush administration in 2001, relations between Venezuela and the United States deteriorated markedly, as Chávez became highly critical of the U.S. economic and foreign policy. Moreover, he has critiqued U.S. policy with regards to Iraq, Haiti, Kosovo the Free Trade Area of the Americas, and other areas. Chávez also denounced the U.S.-backed ouster of Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in February 2004.[citation needed] In a speech at the United Nations General Assembly, Chávez said that Bush promoted "a false democracy of the elite" and a "democracy of bombs".[35]

Chávez's public friendship and significant trade relationship with Cuba and Fidel Castro undermined the U.S. policy of isolating Cuba; moreover, on Chavez's initiative, long-running ties between the U.S. and Venezuelan militaries were also severed. Chávez's stance as an OPEC price hawk has also raised the price of petroleum for American consumers, as Venezuela pushed OPEC producers towards lower production ceilings, with the resultant price settling around $25 a barrel prior to 2004. During Venezuela's holding of the OPEC presidency in 2000, Chávez made a ten-day tour of OPEC countries. In the process, he became the first head of state to meet Saddam Hussein since the Gulf War. The visit was controversial both in Venezuela and in the US, although Chávez did respect the ban on international flights to and from Iraq (he drove from Iran, his previous stop).[36]

The Bush administration consistently opposed Chávez's policies. Although it did not immediately recognize the Carmona government upon its installation during the 2002 attempted coup, it had funded groups behind the coup, speedily acknowledged the new government and seemed to hope it would last.[37] The U.S. government called Chávez a "negative force" in the region, and sought support from among Venezuela's neighbors to isolate Chávez diplomatically and economically.[citation needed] One notable instance occurred at the 2005 meeting of the Organization of American States. A U.S. resolution to add a mechanism to monitor the nature of American democracies was widely seen as an attempt at diplomatically isolating both Chávez and the Venezuelan government. The failure of the resolution was seen by analysts as politically significant, evidencing widespread support in Latin America for Chávez, his policies, and his views.[citation needed]

The U.S. also opposed and lobbied against numerous Venezuelan arms purchases made under Chávez. This includes a purchase of some 100,000 rifles from Russia, which Donald Rumsfeld implied would be passed on to the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), and the purchase of aircraft from Brazil.[citation needed] The U.S. has also warned Israel to not carry through on a deal to upgrade Venezuela's aging fleet of F-16s, and has similarly pressured Spain.[citation needed] In August 2005, Chávez rescinded the rights of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agents to operate in Venezuelan territory, territorial airspace, and territorial waters. While U.S. State Department officials stated that the DEA agents' presence was intended to stem cocaine traffic from Colombia, Chávez argued that there was reason to believe the DEA agents were gathering intelligence for a clandestine assassination targeting him, with the ultimate aim of ending the Bolivarian Revolution.[citation needed]

When a Marxist insurgency picked up speed in Colombia in the early 2000s, Chavez chose not to support the U.S. in its backing of the Colombian government. Instead, Chavez declared Venezuela to be neutral in the dispute, yet another action that irritated American officials and tensed up relations between the two nations. The border between Venezuela and Colombia was one of the most dangerous borders in Latin America at the time, because of Colombia's war spilling over to Venezuela.[38]

Chávez dared the U.S. on 14 March 2008 to put Venezuela on a list of countries accused of supporting terrorism, calling it one more attempt by Washington, D.C. to undermine him for political reasons.[39]

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It says, "Not that I am for socialism or capitalism, it's just that if you own some industries and not others looks like it makes it hard to operate because you still have oligarchs or wanna be oligarchs willing to sell their souls and starve the country to get control."


It has nothing to do with the government taking 100 percent control over all industry. Now, according to what you stated before that, does socialism require that the government have 100 percent control of all industry?

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It says, "Not that I am for socialism or capitalism, it's just that if you own some industries and not others looks like it makes it hard to operate because you still have oligarchs or wanna be oligarchs willing to sell their souls and starve the country to get control."


It has nothing to do with the government taking 100 percent control over all industry. Now, according to what you stated before that, does socialism require that the government have 100 percent control of all industry?

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I have no idea what socialism 'requires'
some countries have some socialist policies like the US gives congress and other govt workers free health care, gives people over 65 medicare and social security. but our government is representative republic
venezuela's government is federalist while part of their economy is socialist especially in relation to the ownership of oil fields.
read up and you will see what I posted about our interference there since the 50s
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I have no idea what socialism 'requires'
some countries have some socialist policies like the US gives congress and other govt workers free health care, gives people over 65 medicare and social security. but our government is representative republic
venezuela's government is federalist while part of their economy is socialist especially in relation to the ownership of oil fields.
read up and you will see what I posted about our interference there since the 50s
In The 50's ? I think it may go back to the Crusades! Either way, it is Trumps fault, right?
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Venezuela is in bad shape partly because of socialism and partly because of decades of U.S. sanctions and other economic body blows plus U.S. constant meddling and covert actions to undercut and overthrow the gov't from Chavez's ELECTION forward.

It's hypocritical BSery for the U.S. and Trump to call on Venezuelan troops and people to reject Muduro, or for us to support and completely UNelected person ...that we like... to run a foreign country. If the leader of any country asked the military to overthrow Trump and put in Hillary by force most folks on the rights heads would have exploded. and rightly so.

Most people in the world see the situation for what it is.
Trump is nothing but another in a long line U.S. leaders trying to control and exploit the South American nations using a bloody, tattered and thin cover of "freedom", "democracy", "aid" and "capitalism".

the sad thing is many rank and file Americans both D and R buy the line of BS the establishment politicians mouth for the multinational corporations.
I'd like to think Trump is ignorant here, or has been bamboozled by his new Neo-con cronies, but i suspect he's got his eye on getting his share of the cookies from the Venezuelan cookie jar if it's leadership is flipped to a pro U.S. puppet ruler.
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