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if you are lucky and damned smart and are a great self starter I give it a perhaps or perhaps you'll be working at Bob's Burger Barn when you are 40. you don't seem to realize the country has changed.
The US has never been that country the latest Progressive heartthrob envisions where the Federal government provides so-called economic security for those unwilling to work. FDR proposed the same sort of welfare state as AOC in his 4th inaugural address. Of course since American history has been replaced by radical Leftist tirade like Howard Zinn's unrelenting condemnations, if it's taught at all, the media can puff up a freshman Congresswoman as the new Messiah.

FDR proposed an expansive new bill of rights via Constitutional amendments. Aided by our judicial overlords contemporary Democrats in the rare moments not devoted to the Resistance simply declare welfare state programs as rights.

It's never been easy to get rich in America and we have always had despots who blame the system and promise the moon while they push to create the next Venezuelan nightmare.
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Really? I guess I'm an anomaly, then. Upper 25% of my HS class, no college degree, but a lot of learning at the library, learning on the job, the occasional Adult night classes, a number of college level classes in accounting and economics, and here I am after years of climbing the corporate ladder, a Financial Controller for a $35M company.

I'm such a failure.....

I don't normally discuss my position, but I really am a poster child for what you can do if you are determined to make something of yourself. It's one of the reasons I get so argumentative with people who do nothing but whine or complain that they aren't going anywhere in life.

Get off your ass and do it. Do whatever is necessary to get where you want to in life, without stepping on other people. Use the tools you have available. You'd be surprised how many successful people don't mind doing a little mentoring for someone who shows the right attitude and aptitude. As I said, library (and nowadays, the internet is even easier), scrape together a couple of bucks and take a night course. Used college books stores. Audit college level classes when you can. Ask questions.

I'm sick and tired of the 'but they only earn $9.00 an hour how are they supposed to live?" bull****.
Yes me too. Times have changed since we were young. It gets harder every year for these 20 and 30 year olds to the point they are looking at being broke down at 45 if they are careful and danged lucky.
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Well, my children and their friends must be the exceptions as they are all doing much better than that right out of high school. Even my youngest daughter was making $14 hr during the summer break before starting college. And that was after starting at $11 hr a month prior. She worked hard, did her job, asked for more responsibility and was rewarded with a better position and higher wage.

I guess you don't know many, if any, people that actually go to work to strive to do a good job, because everyone that I know and know of that have done that, has been quite successful.
you have a lot more options in Ohio. If not you're close to other states that may offer better employment. you're in a hub. you and your children are lucky.
damned lucky. My husbands nephew moved clear across the country to make $15 an hour and he's proud of it. We need to make stuff again. I thought Trump-O was gonna help with that?
Turns out he's just there to line his own pockets.
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The US has never been that country the latest Progressive heartthrob envisions where the Federal government provides so-called economic security for those unwilling to work. FDR proposed the same sort of welfare state as AOC in his 4th inaugural address. Of course since American history has been replaced by radical Leftist tirade like Howard Zinn's unrelenting condemnations, if it's taught at all, the media can puff up a freshman Congresswoman as the new Messiah.

FDR proposed an expansive new bill of rights via Constitutional amendments. Aided by our judicial overlords contemporary Democrats in the rare moments not devoted to the Resistance simply declare welfare state programs as rights.

It's never been easy to get rich in America and we have always had despots who blame the system and promise the moon while they push to create the next Venezuelan nightmare.
It's not about the gubment providing economic security. It's about getting rid of road blocks by big lobbying industries who's byline is screw you and die. No patriotism at all. No quality of workmanship. No innovation. Just sit on tht one product or idea and let the little people pay your taxes so you always have a pool of willing half starving under-insured people to take up the slack.
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you have a lot more options in Ohio. If not you're close to other states that may offer better employment. you're in a hub. you and your children are lucky.
damned lucky.
Luck and location have nothing to do with it. There are plenty of people in my area that share your mindset and their present condition is proof of that.

The company I work for has production facilities all across the country and on 4 Continents, it is a large company. In the facility that I work out of, they cannot hire enough people that a.) have the aptitude to do the work required, b.) have the attitude to do the work (entry level is hard work although, with modern robotics, not like it used to be), and c.) have a clean blood test absent of drug abuse. There are people that are hired in as temps (a normal process to allow a person to demonstrate their desire to work prior to being hired full time), that disappear, never to be seen again after their first break. They find that working at McDonald's, while being paid about $3 less an hour, is more to their liking.

Then we have people in our area that just sit back and happily receive their gov't welfare check, their "Obama phones", have their utilities subsidized and are happy to live in squalor.

So don't give me this crap about "more opportunity where you are". There is opportunity in a lot of places in this country. But opportunity is meaningless to those unwilling to take advantage of it. And if you do live in a place that you feel has no opportunities, chances are the population is or has already left that area for places that do have more opportunity.

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My husbands nephew moved clear across the country to make $15 an hour and he's proud of it. We need to make stuff again. I thought Trump-O was gonna help with that?
Help with what? The job of the government is to defend this country and enforce our laws. What Trump promised to do, was to trim down our government towards it's basic responsibility by lowering taxes and eliminating onerous regulations in pursuit of that goal. By doing so, this removes some barriers to business that should, and has, inspired people to start new or expand existing businesses and by extension expanding the economy which helps to provide opportunities for those willing to take advantage of it. He never said or promised that he would give your family a job.

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Turns out he's just there to line his own pockets.
Once again, you make these wild claims that defy common sense. The man is worth Billions and can make more money in the private sector. If he was in it for the money, he made the wrong move. And as a President that thrives on pissing off the opposition, doing anything illegal, would quickly be exposed.

My opinion is that being President was a move to satisfy his ego. I also believe that he has a very good sense for business and was able to translate that business sense into economic policy which resulted in lowering taxes and reducing regulations. These things are the best ways to incentivize economic activity. Personally, I feel he should also attack government spending along with lowering taxes as the deficit also needs to be addressed.
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Yes me too. Times have changed since we were young. It gets harder every year for these 20 and 30 year olds to the point they are looking at being broke down at 45 if they are careful and danged lucky.
And why does it 'get harder' for 20 or 30 year olds?

IMO, because they are told they will be handed things for no effort, and they (I gag on this word) deserve things that they haven't worked for. They carry no blame for their actions, and will be cossetted. Of course there are exceptions, but that is by the parent's involvement. Schools actually try to counteract what parents teach in regards to morals, ethics, and responsibility, I've seen it in action. Too many parents let the school system raise their kid, and then wonder why the kid is such a disaster.


But the point is, a good life can be achieved by determination, your value respected, and not everyone ends up working for $9.00 an hour.
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you have a lot more options in Ohio. If not you're close to other states that may offer better employment. you're in a hub. you and your children are lucky.
damned lucky. My husbands nephew moved clear across the country to make $15 an hour and he's proud of it. We need to make stuff again. I thought Trump-O was gonna help with that?
Turns out he's just there to line his own pockets.
How many manufacturing jobs has Trump Brought back to America?
From a simple Google Search

https://www.google.com/search?q=How+...hrome&ie=UTF-8


How many manufacturing jobs did Barack bring back to America?
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/12/ob...acturing-jobs/
Barack said they were gone and NOT coming back.
Read it and weep sucker

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Manufacturing employment was 12,258,000 in October 2016, according to the most recent estimates from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. That’s down 303,000 from the number employed in January 2009, the same month that Obama was sworn in as president.
Turns out you don't know what you are talking about, as usual.
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