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This one has me a little conflicted. On one hand gays should have the same rights as straight couples. On the other hand it's not right to force a kid to grow up in that sorta environment.

In the end I think I gotta go with my religious beliefs and say no to gay adoption.

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Tennessee lawmakers have filed multiple bills this week which would allow adoption agencies to deny services to gay couples.

In one bill, proposed on Thursday by Republicans Joey Hensley and John Ragan, agencies would not be forced to go against their "sincerely held religious beliefs," USA Today reported.

"We were concerned that adoption agencies, such as religious adoption agencies, would be required to allow adoption when they had religious beliefs that contradicted certain lifestyles," Hensley told USA Today. "That they would be forced to allow adoptions to people they felt were not appropriate parents, so we didn't want those agencies to not be able to provide adoptions."

Same-sex couples would still have the option to adopt children through secular agencies.

"I don't think a gay couple is the best environment for children," Hensley said. "Certainly, legally, they can adopt children and they can have children, but I think every child needs a mother and a father. The best environment is a mother and a father."
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of all the acts out there involving politics, trying to keep a child in an system of uncertainty-certainty being utmost in a child's emotional needs - is the worst form of crime on the planet.
Depriving a love starved minor of love nurturing love itself is incomprehensible to me. And if your religion deems that just, then your religion is wrong.
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of all the acts out there involving politics, trying to keep a child in an system of uncertainty-certainty being utmost in a child's emotional needs - is the worst form of crime on the planet.
Depriving a love starved minor of love nurturing love itself is incomprehensible to me. And if your religion deems that just, then your religion is wrong.
There are many children who need to be adopted, so just because a gay couple might not be able to adopt one of those children doesn't mean the child will stay in the system. Preventing a gay couple from adopting isn't the worst form of crime on the planet.

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This one has me a little conflicted. On one hand gays should have the same rights as straight couples. On the other hand it's not right to force a kid to grow up in that sorta environment.
I basically agree. If there is a choice between a hetero couple adopting a certain child and a gay couple adopting that child, IMO the child should go to the hetero couple; however, if no one wants to adopt a certain child and a gay couple wants to, the child will be better off with them than staying in the system.
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There are many children who need to be adopted, so just because a gay couple might not be able to adopt one of those children doesn't mean the child will stay in the system. Preventing a gay couple from adopting isn't the worst form of crime on the planet.

That doesn't make any sense. there are many kids in need therefore they wont stay in the system...wha?

It is better explained. "There are many kids needing to be adopted therefore we should not put narrow minded stumbling blocks in the way".
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I basically agree. If there is a choice between a hetero couple adopting a certain child and a gay couple adopting that child, IMO the child should go to the hetero couple; however, if no one wants to adopt a certain child and a gay couple wants to, the child will be better off with them than staying in the system.
That's pretty silly
Gays don't even live in separate neighborhoods from heteros.
Of course every effort should be made to pave the way for any law abiding couple to adopt. skin tone or sex does not matter
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This one has me a little conflicted. On one hand gays should have the same rights as straight couples. On the other hand it's not right to force a kid to grow up in that sorta environment.
what sort of "environment?
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In the end I think I gotta go with my religious beliefs and say no to gay adoption.
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"I don't think a gay couple is the best environment for children," Hensley said. "Certainly, legally, they can adopt children and they can have children, but I think every child needs a mother and a father. The best environment is a mother and a father."

No male or no female is fine
two people is better than one but they can be an aunt and female cousin, a husband and wife or two brothers.
there is no reason one has to be male and one female
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I basically agree. If there is a choice between a hetero couple adopting a certain child and a gay couple adopting that child, IMO the child should go to the hetero couple; however, if no one wants to adopt a certain child and a gay couple wants to, the child will be better off with them than staying in the system.
Good point and I agree. Hetero couples should def have priority. Maybe we can make it to where if a kid isn't adopted within X amount of days a gay couple would have the option of adopting.
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That doesn't make any sense. there are many kids in need therefore they wont stay in the system...wha?
I wasn't very clear, was I? I meant there are a LOT of couples who want to adopt children, so a child will be adopted even if a gay couple cannot do so.
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I wasn't very clear, was I? I meant there are a LOT of couples who want to adopt children, so a child will be adopted even if a gay couple cannot do so.
oh. ok

well that is half correct as I see it
There are many many yes tons of couples who want to adopt a newborn or young baby.
Older kids not so much. Kids with illnesses. handicaps or of mixed race, not so much
The reason Rosie O'Donnell came out of the closet was to chastise the florid a system that tried to take two children away from a gay couple who had originally adopted in Oregon. They decided to move back to Oregon rather than put up with the bull Florida was putting them through. The kids had been born with AIDS. the gay couple were both OBGYN neo natal intensive care nurses

Being from Fla myself I can vouch for the tight azzed mentality but I will never understand why it exists except for the thing where you view your self worth by what your neighbors think even if they're crazy. There was economic and literal shunning during civil rights.
But yeah gays should be viewed as heterosexual couples as far as adoption goes. Check their background and income etc. Let kids havd a home with a family.
There were a cop and his wife here near me who adopted a lot of kids and had foster kids. Turned out they were not only molesting them but involving them in an illegal drug business.
So there's good and bad you can't prepare for. But homosexuality should never be a non starter for adopting in a free country.
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I wasn't very clear, was I? I meant there are a LOT of couples who want to adopt children, so a child will be adopted even if a gay couple cannot do so.
I always heard differently. I thought the adoption system was overloaded with kids who've been there for a long time and can't get adopted. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I thought was the situation.
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I always heard differently. I thought the adoption system was overloaded with kids who've been there for a long time and can't get adopted. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I thought was the situation.
From what I have heard about from friends that have been through this, there is a shortage of babies and very young children available for adoption. However, as the age of a child increases, it becomes harder to have them adopted as most people looking to adopt want to adopt a child from birth. This makes it very difficult for older children to be adopted into a family.
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