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Old 01-31-2019, 10:40 PM
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smuggled in on a tractor-trailer and not coming across the border illegally.
I'm not a smart man, but I'm pretty sure it's illegal to try and sneak in 114 kilograms of fentanyl, 1 kilogram of fentanyl pills, and 179 kilograms of methamphetamine inside a tractor-trailer.
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No Trump fence needed to find these drugs.....


Props to the border Patrol.....
Agreed, but how much is getting through due to unpatrolled area with no barriers?...

You can hail fraud investigators, too, for finding a large-scale credit card ring, but they still only catch less than 10% of it...
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I think it's mind blowing how little fentanyl it takes to kill a person.

57,000,000 people/115kg (Raw+pills) = about 495 people per gram.

1g/495 people = 2mg per person
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Hell, we don't need any walls then. just put up more ports of entry gates!

No, the "fence" that got them to use the port of entry was funded to be built during the Bush administration. Proving that walls do work. Gates without walls are useless.

The significant issue here is they came through the gate. It is only one of many ways to bring this crap across the border. But we need to funnel more of this "Trade" through gates. That is what walls do.

Please, stop being such a simpleton.
I'm just estimating this based upon my knowledge of the California and Arizona border areas but I'd guess that at least 1000 miles of the 2000 mile border are inaccessible to vehicle traffic. No roads and rough terrain prevent "street" vehicles from reaching the border and/or entering the United States. This is rough and desolate terrain that also prevents all but a few very daring or very stupid people from crossing along most of the border between the US and Mexico. The CBP uses electronic surveillance to locate those few people that attempt to cross in these vast areas of inhospitable land so they can be apprehended once inside the United States. A fence does no good because the CBP wouldn't be patrolling a fence in these areas. There's no roads to travel on to reach these areas.

Once again though the experts at the CBP that are responsible for border security know what areas need to be covered by electronic surveillance equipment and what areas might require additional fencing. There's also been significant improvement in securing our border by the CBP over the years and part of that relates to the 659 miles of pedestrian and vehicle barriers (fencing) that was authorized in 2006 that covered the most strategic areas along the border.
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Agreed, but how much is getting through due to unpatrolled area with no barriers?...
Virtually none. If drugs like Fentanyl were being carried by smugglers across the border in small amounts then the CBP would have an arrest record for some of them just based upon random arrests. I'm unaware of any Fentanyl being seized by people walking across the border.

Drug busts for people illegally crossing the border are quite rare which is why we know that few drugs are being transported across the border between ports of entry. It's not cost effective for the drug cartels to use human transport across the border into the United States.
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I'm just estimating this based upon my knowledge of the California and Arizona border areas but I'd guess that at least 1000 miles of the 2000 mile border are inaccessible to vehicle traffic. No roads and rough terrain prevent "street" vehicles from reaching the border and/or entering the United States. This is rough and desolate terrain that also prevents all but a few very daring or very stupid people from crossing along most of the border between the US and Mexico. The CBP uses electronic surveillance to locate those few people that attempt to cross in these vast areas of inhospitable land so they can be apprehended once inside the United States. A fence does no good because the CBP wouldn't be patrolling a fence in these areas. There's no roads to travel on to reach these areas.

Once again though the experts at the CBP that are responsible for border security know what areas need to be covered by electronic surveillance equipment and what areas might require additional fencing. There's also been significant improvement in securing our border by the CBP over the years and part of that relates to the 659 miles of pedestrian and vehicle barriers (fencing) that was authorized in 2006 that covered the most strategic areas along the border.
So what you are saying is that you really don't know what is needed. You are basing your opinion on your narrow knowledge of some areas of the border in two states.

Thanks, but I will defer to those whose job is to secure our border.

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President Donald Trump’s border chief elaborated Sunday on how immigration officials would spend the roughly $5 billion the White House is requesting from Congress for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico frontier — insisting the taxpayer dollars would fund “not just a dumb barrier.”

“It's about 215 miles of wall system,” Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Kevin McAleenan said on ABC’s “This Week,” including in his calculations various auxiliary technologies to bolster enforcement efforts.

“What we’re talking about is not just a dumb barrier,” McAleenan said. “We’re talking about sensors, cameras, lighting, access roads for our agents, a system that helps us secure that area of the border. That’s what we were asking Congress.”

Border officials have already constructed a barrier along 35 of the 40 miles of wall funded by $300 million from the president’s fiscal 2017 budget, McAleenan said — “a record time for a major government procurement of this nature,” he added.

And Customs and Border Protection is “already on contract and launching construction” for the portions of the wall financed through the administration’s fiscal 2018 budget, McAleenan said.

McAleenan also defended the efficacy of the proposal that has plunged the government into a more-than weeklong shutdown and a bitter, partisan funding fight.

“We need a barrier to help us stop that, to push into — the traffic into areas that we can control more effectively,” McAleenan said, citing mass entries and an influx of narcotics along the southern border.

“We need to attack all of the different vectors that could threaten us,” he added.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...leenan-1076887
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