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Aaaaaaaaaaaaand one of the major reasons libs don't want a wall and for illegals to be allowed to flood over the border....

Wanna know why Nancy and Chucky are so against border security? Here ya go.

Texas says it found 95,000 non-citizens on voter rolls; 58,000 have voted

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton announced Friday that the state has discovered 95,000 non-citizens on the voter rolls going back to 1996, 58,000 of whom have voted in at least one Texas election -- an announcement likely to raise fresh concerns about the prospect of voter fraud.

Texas has some of the toughest voter ID laws in the nation and has been one of the main battlegrounds in the Republican-led fight against alleged voter fraud. The office, in a statement, said that 33 people were prosecuted for voter fraud last year, and 97 were prosecuted between 2005-17. There are 16 million people in Texas registered to vote.

“Every single instance of illegal voting threatens democracy in our state and deprives individual Texans of their voice,” Paxton said in a statement.

The New York Times reported that the findings were a result of of an 11-month investigation into records at the Texas Department of Public Safety. Gov. Greg Abbott praised the findings and hinted at future legislation to crack down on voter fraud.

"I support prosecution where appropriate. The State will work on legislation to safeguard against these illegal practices," Abbott tweeted.

The revelation is likely to have national consequences and stir debate and the role of voter fraud. President Trump created a commission in 2017 to investigate allegations of voter fraud in the 2016 election. But it was eventually dismantled by Trump after the group faced lawsuits, opposition from states and in-fighting among its members.

Trump said at the time that Democrats refused to hand over data “because they know that many people are voting illegally.” Democrats have dismissed claims of voter fraud and accused Republicans of trying to disenfranchise minority voters with tight voter ID laws.

Dallas state Rep. Rafael Anchia told The Associated Press that "because we have consistently seen Texas politicians conjure the specter of voter fraud as pretext to suppress legitimate votes, we are naturally skeptical."

Paxton’s office noted that there have been a number of convictions of voter fraud in the state in recent years, including a charge against a non-citizen this month for illegal voting in Navarro County.

Fox News' Kaitlyn Schallhorn and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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So thats how Texas got to be Republican.
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So thats how Texas got to be Republican.
By keeping illegals from voting? If that is what you are implying, than you are making our case for us. Thanks.
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Would Liberals be upset if they found out that Russians were voting illegally in America?
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if the illegal registrations were found, that means the system works and there is no voter fraud except gerrymandering and recent republican candidates throwing out ballots.
nothing that would require voter id at the polls but many states require that anyway (mine does ) So you're good.
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if the illegal registrations were found, that means the system works and there is no voter fraud except gerrymandering and recent republican candidates throwing out ballots.
nothing that would require voter id at the polls but many states require that anyway (mine does ) So you're good.
Here, let me highlight the part that you apparently glossed over:

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Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton announced Friday that the state has discovered 95,000 non-citizens on the voter rolls going back to 1996, 58,000 of whom have voted in at least one Texas election -- an announcement likely to raise fresh concerns about the prospect of voter fraud.
That is the antitheses of the system working. 58,000 people cast an illegal vote, thereby canceling the votes of at least 58,000 legal voters.
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Turns out the number is likely much, much smaller, if any.

Also the OP is misleading in the original article. It was never a proven matter-of-fact that 58,000 people illegally voted, only that names were flagged for the potential of such an act.

And it looks like that story is crumbling.

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A claim made last week by the Texas secretary of state — that 95,000 registered voters had a citizenship status that could not be determined — appeared to fall apart on Tuesday when local election officials said many of the people were known to be United States citizens.

Some registered to vote when they applied for a driver’s license at the Texas Department of Public Safety, which requires them to prove citizenship status to state officials. Others registered at naturalization ceremonies, a data point to which state officials said they did not have access.

Election officials in Harris County, home to Houston, said they received 30,000 names — the largest single batch of potential noncitizen voters — from the secretary of state’s office on Monday. By Tuesday afternoon, they had determined that roughly 400 of those names were duplicates and 60 percent so far of the others were United States citizens.

“We are not willing to conclude at this point that we know of anybody on this list who is not a United States citizen,” Douglas Ray, special assistant attorney for Harris County, said. “We may determine that at a later time, and we are going to investigate that very carefully, but as you can tell by the numbers, so far things ain’t looking good for this list,” referring to the state’s claim.

Local officials reported similar findings on Tuesday in Fort Bend County, outside of Houston; Travis County, home to the state capital, Austin; and Williamson County, outside of Austin. All said they had been instructed by the secretary of state’s office on Tuesday to disregard the names of voters who registered at state public-safety offices.

On Tuesday, the office of David Whitley, who was appointed secretary of state in December by Gov. Greg Abbott, said in a statement that it was continuing to work with local officials “to assist them in verifying eligibility of Texas voters.”

“This is to ensure that any registered voters who provided proof of citizenship at the time they registered to vote will not be required to provide proof of citizenship as part of the counties’ examination,” the statement said.

In an announcement last Friday, Mr. Whitley’s office questioned the citizenship status of 95,000 voters. That finding grew out of an 11-month investigation by the secretary of state’s office and the Texas Department of Public Safety, which declined to comment on Tuesday.

Attorney General Ken Paxton, a Republican who has zealously prosecuted individual cases of voter fraud, quickly amplified that announcement with a pledge to investigate the names on the list. A spokeswoman for his office did not respond to a request for comment on Tuesday.

Democrats and voting-rights advocates expressed skepticism about the state’s claims last week, pointing to the possibility of administrative error as well as the state’s history of voter suppression.

Voter registration in many Texas counties is handled by the tax assessor, a holdover from the Jim Crow practice of collecting a poll tax, Mr. Ray said. Poll taxes were abolished by the 24th Amendment to the United States Constitution in 1964.

Kristen Clarke, the president of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, called the problems that arose on Tuesday “an unsurprising development.” She said Mr. Paxton had been “reckless and irresponsible to race forward with broad, sweeping allegations without conducting full, due diligence.”

Another group, the League of United Latin American Citizens, filed a federal lawsuit on Tuesday that accused Mr. Paxton and Mr. Whitley of violating the federal Voting Rights Act.

Mr. Davis, in Williamson County, said his office received a list of 2,067 names this week, including 34 duplicates. It began a “very methodical and very deliberate and careful” investigation into the remaining names and found many whose citizenship was not in question.

“We found some records where two things existed at once,” Mr. Davis said. “One was the D.P.S. had identified them as potential noncitizens, but also these same people had registered to vote at the D.P.S. and so had been verified to be citizens.”

Compounding problems for local officials is the fact that the so-called list is not actually a list.

John Oldham, the elections administrator in Fort Bend County, said four of his employees were combing through documents related to 8,035 people that his office received on Monday.

In Travis County, Bruce Elfant, the tax assessor-collector and voter registrar, said his office was trying to organize the “jumble” of information it received on 4,500 voters into a usable format. He said that even a cursory review of the information they received turned up a “significant” number of people who the secretary of state has now told them to remove.

“I said to the secretary of state’s office this morning, ‘It would have been nice if you sent it in a spreadsheet,’” he said. “They told me, ‘Well, we didn’t.’ A lot of things would have been nice, I guess.”

Texas Official’s Claim About Citizenship of 95,000 Is Called Into Doubt
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Turns out the number is likely much, much smaller, if any.

Also the OP is misleading in the original article. It was never a proven matter-of-fact that 58,000 people illegally voted, only that names were flagged for the potential of such an act.

And it looks like that story is crumbling.
So 40% of the checked 30,000 turn out to be non citizens and 400 were registered and possibly voted 2 or more times, and that makes it all better? And that's just one county.

We have a problem, and it's not as the left will claim, just as few, maybe 8 or 10 total. If even one voter fraud is found and it's preventable, then that's 1 too many.

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So 40% of the checked 30,000 turn out to be non citizens and 400 were registered and possibly voted 2 or more times, and that makes it all better? And that's just one county.
Nowhere in the article did anyone conclude that 40% of those 30,000 were noncitizens. As a matter of fact:

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“We are not willing to conclude at this point that we know of anybody on this list who is not a United States citizen,” Douglas Ray, special assistant attorney for Harris County, said. “We may determine that at a later time, and we are going to investigate that very carefully, but as you can tell by the numbers, so far things ain’t looking good for this list,” referring to the state’s claim.
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We have a problem, and it's not as the left will claim, just as few, maybe 8 or 10 total. If even one voter fraud is found and it's preventable, then that's 1 too many.
We have a problem with the right overhyping the actual impact of voter fraud in this country.

That's NOT to say voter fraud isn't a problem before anyone goes there, I agree that any number of illegal votes is too many. Unfortunately, thanks to the sensationalism pushed by outlets like Fox News with headlines like the OP, it'll be taken as fact that Texas most definitely found tens of thousands of illegal voters and votes. It's to the point where the sitting president is sharing this misleading garbage on social media.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...s-voted-texas/

The truth is that 95,000 number is an estimate of registered voters who at one time weren't eligible due to self-identified citizenship. There were no checks made to see if any of them mis-identified, gained citizenship, or if there was any error in the matching. It was a very preliminary guess that got twisted in something it wasn't.

Of that 95,000, 58,000 have voted at least once since 1996.

58,000 “maybes” that are turning into "no"s pretty quickly when prodded with a little scrutiny.
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