Originally Posted by AZRWinger

It's amusing to see the children of the Resistance Corn claim an exclusive franchise on reality as shown by unspecified polls.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/congre...rumps-standing

Originally Posted by AZRWinger

The President made it clear he will invoke a national emergency to build the wall. If Democrats continue to display the same lack of concern for the 800,000 Federal employees and border security as well as the DACA and TPS people they are going to get the worst of both worlds.

Originally Posted by ShivaTD

Real Clear Politics provides information from all of the major polls.
Friday Jan 25th
President Trump
ABC News / Washington Post: Approve 38% Disapprove 58% Spread -20%
Rasmussen Reports: Approve 45% Disapprove 54% Spread -9%
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

President Trump has never had a positive approval rating during any month since he's been in office.

Don't talk polling numbers to those that actually follow the polls. President Trump has been the worst President in history based upon the opinions of the American people.



The legislation for border security will be a result of a bipartisan committee formed by Republicans from the Senate and Democrats from the House. It will not be partisan and will be based upon the expert testimony from departments and agencies like the Border Patrol.

In the normal course of events the Border Patrol would submit a budget request for those improvements it deems necessary for our safety which would include enhanced barriers, surveillance equipment, manpower, and other important measures that should be taken to secure our borders. They've probably already done this for 2019 and we know one thing for a fact. It doesn't contain "Trump's Wall" as a part of the request.

Trump's Wall isn't supported by any government agency studies that responsible for border security because it's a waste of money and resources that can be used for effective border security.

Congress, in the past, have authorized broad authority to the President in the event of a national emergency but a national emergency doesn't exist at the US-Mexico border. If that emergency existed then the President would have invoked his emergency powers months ago. The fact is that unlawful entry along our border with Mexico is at one of the lowest points in recent history. Illegal entry along our border with Mexico isn't even the primary source of undocumented (illegal) aliens in the United States. Visa overstays from Canada dwarf the number of undocumented (illegal) aliens entering from Mexico. If there's a national emergency (and there's not) then addressing the Canadian visa-overstays would be the focus of the emergency.

If Trump does declare an emergency we can expect two things.

1. It will be challenged in court and Trump will not be able to use that authority to build anything because the courts will stop the spending.

2. Congress, both Democrats and Republicans, will unite to revise the emergency powers of the President to prevent the abuse of power that Trump would be guilty of. We could expect veto-proof legislation that would probably require approval of the emergency by Congress within 60 days of the President declaring an emergency (my guess - not a quote from members of Congress).

Within the short time period Congress will have to act we can expect bipartisan legislation to enhance border security. It won't be a Democrat plan or a Republican plan. It will be a Congressional plan and it will not contain funding for Trump's wall.

The House, controlled by Democrats, will be producing legislation to resolve the DACA, DAPA, and TPS issues and that legislation will be sent to the Senate for a vote. The American people overwhelmingly support the legislation that the House Democrats will produce to provide protections for these three groups.

Originally Posted by ShivaTD

Real Clear Politics provides information from all of the major polls.
Friday Jan 25th
President Trump
ABC News / Washington Post: Approve 38% Disapprove 58% Spread -20%
Rasmussen Reports: Approve 45% Disapprove 54% Spread -9%
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Originally Posted by ShivaTD

Congress, in the past, have authorized broad authority to the President in the event of a national emergency but a national emergency doesn't exist at the US-Mexico border.

Originally Posted by GottaGo

I lean to believe that Trump will likely close the government again in 3 weeks, if the Democrats do not come up with a solution for funding the wall, and abiding by the recommendations Trump already offered up on DACA. Your use of the word 'caved' is expected, since once again it is hyperbole and lacking in facts.

Originally Posted by GottaGo

Read your post again: 'The American people overwhelmingly support the legislation that the House Democrats will produce to provide protections for these three groups'. You are promoting as fact, that there is overwhelming support for something that has not yet been developed, much less presented, and I'd like to see real numbers on that 'overwhelming' while we are at it, because I highly doubt it.

Originally Posted by ShivaTD

I tend to agree with the opinion that Trump will close the government down again over his demand for a wall. There's really not much separation between Democrats and Republicans when it comes to border security. Both support the recommendations from CBP that would improve border security. What I've seen CBP prioritize is: A) More CBP agents (that the GAO is questioning because of the lowest illegal border crossing numbers in ages); B) More electronic detection and surveillance equipment, and: D) limited additional physical barriers at strategic locations along the US-Mexico border.

The only example of what the CBP means by limited strategic physical barriers (fencing) is the request by the San Diego CBP to add five miles of fencing to the existing fencing they have. The cost estimate provided by the Corps of Engineers was $1.5 million per mile for a total of $7,5 million to meet the San Diego CBP's request for more fencing. I don't have any information on the other CBP sections along the US-Mexico border but it's unlikely that all of the requests would equal more than a few hundred million dollars.



This is an extrapolation of the support for DACA protections from last year.



https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...pients-to-stay

87% is overwhelming support.

I don't have poll numbers for DAPA but the outrage at deporting a person that had lived and worked in the United States for more than a decade, that was married to a US citizen and/or that had children that were US citizens, was widespread. Families were literally torn apart when the mother or father that had lived and worked here, paying taxes like everyone else, was suddenly deported for no other reason than the minor misdemeanor of not having current documents authorizing them to be in the country. Prosecutorial discretion is first and foremost about not creating an injustice in the enforcement of the law and deporting people that have been law abiding for a decade or more when the family were US citizens was a gross injustice.

TPS (Temporary Protective Status) is a special class where it's believed that the cause the protection is required will be short-lived. A country in turmoil will result in the US granting TPS status to many from that nation. That's all well and good and if the problem in their native country resolves itself in a year or two it makes sense for them to return. If that doesn't happen, if it's been five, ten, or twenty years then they've already immigrated to the United States and become Americans. You don't send someone back to a country that they haven't lived in for years after they've established new roots here. That's just plain stupid.

Americans are compassionate people as we reflect upon the belief that DACA should be allowed to stay and become citizens. I've just extrapolated that belief to cover similar situations.

Originally Posted by The Hill blog

An overwhelming majority of Americans supports legal protections for certain undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. as children, according to a new CBS News poll.

According to the survey, almost 9 in 10 respondents — 87 percent — said they believe that the so-called Dreamers should be allowed to remain in the U.S. if they meet certain requirements, such as working or going to school. [Bold added]

Originally Posted by ShivaTD

I tend to agree with the opinion that Trump will close the government down again over his demand for a wall.

Originally Posted by ShivaTD

There's really not much separation between Democrats and Republicans when it comes to border security. Both support the recommendations from CBP that would improve border security. What I've seen CBP prioritize is: A) More CBP agents (that the GAO is questioning because of the lowest illegal border crossing numbers in ages); B) More electronic detection and surveillance equipment, and: D) limited additional physical barriers at strategic locations along the US-Mexico border.

Originally Posted by ShivaTD

I don't have poll numbers for DAPA but the outrage at deporting a person that had lived and worked in the United States for more than a decade, that was married to a US citizen and/or that had children that were US citizens, was widespread. Families were literally torn apart when the mother or father that had lived and worked here, paying taxes like everyone else, was suddenly deported for no other reason than the minor misdemeanor of not having current documents authorizing them to be in the country. Prosecutorial discretion is first and foremost about not creating an injustice in the enforcement of the law and deporting people that have been law abiding for a decade or more when the family were US citizens was a gross injustice.