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NO OFFER TO END THE SHUTDOWN BY PRESIDENT TRUMP


President Trump did not mention ending the government shutdown even once in his speech.

After misrepresenting the problem Trump did state, "Both sides in Washington must simply come together, listen to each other, put down their armor, build trust, reach across the aisle and find solutions."

Then he goes on to dictate what he wants that's not a bipartisan solution to anything. He even doubles down on not seeking or wanting a bipartisan solution when he states:



Mitch McConnell doesn't have any legislation on immigration that received bipartisan support to do what Trump demands.

Democrats in both the Senate and House want to sit down with Republicans and hammer out a compromise agreement on immigration reform but Trump doesn't want that. That would take time to accomplish and it arguably wouldn't have the "border wall" that Trump desires. It wouldn't offer three-years of protection to those currently covered by DACA. It would offer a permanent solution to those currently under DACA protection.

Arguably it would also end the humanitarian crisis in Mexico that Trump has created by forcing him to grant refugee visas authorized by Congress to the thousands that he's denied that's resulted in the crisis. America was admired by other countries on immigration because of this:



The one bipartisan agreement on immigration has always been our policies to allow refugees into the United States. Refugee asylum is at the very core of being an American.

Trump didn't mention ending the shutdown. Not one word about it even if Democrats agreed to his "White House Plan" that lacks any bipartisan support in Congress,

He can get the money for drug detection equipment.

He can get the money for more Border Patrol agents.

He can even get more staff and judges for the new crisis he's caused with his mass arrest policies for ICE that's almost doubled the number of cases that require adjudication from 500,000 to 900,000.

He can end the humanitarian crisis in Mexico by allowing the refugees into the United States in compliance with our law.

He can also cut unlawful entry into the United States by 80% (according to the Border Patrol) by allowing parents with their children to be allowed into the United States as refugees.

As for his wall the follow story exemplified how easily it's penetrated.


https://www.yahoo.com/gma/largest-si...opstories.html


Seven tunnels under it and others climbing over it. Fortunately these weren't criminals trying to enter the United States. They were refugees that were denied their right to apply for refugee status at a US port of entry to receive asylum so they went over and under a wall to present themselves to the Border Patrol that by law must allow them to apply for asylum once they set foot on US soil.


NO OFFER TO END THE SHUTDOWN BY PRESIDENT TRUMP
Specifically when did: refugee visas authorized by Congress to the thousands that he's denied that's resulted in the crisis.?

A quick Google turned up some Afghan visas, some Irish pushed through by Ryan. No Mexican. Please be specific. Links and everything.
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Well most compromise meetings are discussed with both sides represented at the table, but this is tha Donald so hee-hee-hee
With the snicker able exception of the knowledge that somewhere in all this is a "Mr. Pelosi." nothing about this is funny dearie. Nothing.

Pelosi won't come to the table. Besides, she rejected the proposal before the President even announced it.
Why is she so mad and intractable?????

Speaker Pelosi is not a woman scorned. To be fair, President Trump supported her nomination to speaker. Several times even defended her on it.
Yet she refused to give one inch.


The shutdown is on Trump. No question. But despite having supported such barriers before,, this time because TRUMP wants one,,,; she has said no wall PERIOD. The failure to restart is on Princess Pelosi and her whipped dog buddy Chuckie.

Reagan warned us of this woman's corruption calling her evil. She is! We should have listened.
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Democrats in both the Senate and House want to sit down with Republicans and hammer out a compromise agreement on immigration reform but Trump doesn't want that. That would take time to accomplish and it arguably wouldn't have the "border wall" that Trump desires.
Yes, President Trump desires a border wall (or fence). So do many others.

Any negotiation in good faith would begin with the fact that this desire is set in stone; and would also include any Democrats' desires that are similarly set in stone.

Instead, those on the left--which is to say, Democrats--wish to obviate this by offering some sort of (amorphous) "border security"--but without a wall (or fence).

This is, obviously, not a good-faith negotiation.

Really, it is not a negotiation at all.

The Democrats simply wish to deny the president any sort of victory, going into 2020. And they especially with to deny him anything which they campaigned on.

This is not merely bare-knuckle politics. It is more like brass-knuckle politics.
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Common sense and intelligence may finally be drifting down on libs.

Are Dems starting to break? Prominent party member signals chance for border wall accord

House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) appeared to deviate from his Democratic colleagues on Sunday by saying he "would not rule out a wall in certain instances."

Is a 40-year-old financial prophecy finally coming true?
"The notion that we can't have barriers is just something that's not true," Thompson said on ABC's "This Week."

What's the solution?

According to Thompson, Democrats are still willing to work with President Donald Trump.

"Mr. President, Democrats will work with you," Thompson said. "But you can't pick what Democrats you work with. We have picked our leaders, and you have to work with our leaders."

Thompson said Democrats' main concern is that the president's plan for border security appears to continually change.

"What we have to do is sit down, work through this, and let the public know exactly what we're talking about and what they can expect," he said. "And we're not there yet."

Thompson's comments came one day after President Donald Trump announced immigration-related concessions as bargaining chips for his $5.7 billion border wall proposal. Democrats and the president are locked in a budget impasse over the wall and the stalemate has led to a partial government shutdown for 30 days.

In a televised report, Trump on Saturday offered Democrats a three-year extension of protections for 700,000 Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals recipients, in exchange for the wall. An extension would also apply to 300,000 recipients of the Temporary Protected Status program, which protects immigrants from having to return to certain countries if their safety is at risk.

Meanwhile, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) appears unwilling to budge. She has said she will not fund the border wall under any circumstances. Early this month Pelosi said "a wall, in my view, is an immorality" and "the least effective way to protect the border and the most costly."

Progressive Democrats have supported her view. Last week, Democratic Rep. Veronica Escobar (Texas) said that "walls don't work," stop drugs, nor stop migration.

Escobar also suggested she was open to destroying existing walls, remarking that they are "really ugly" and "monuments to division."

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, (D-Md.) appeared to agree with Thompson's position Wednesday on Fox News' "Special Report with Bret Baier," the news outlet reported. He said border walls "obviously" work in some areas. He also rejected the idea that existing barriers should be removed.

What's at stake?

Lawmakers are facing increasing pressure from taxpayers and government workers who want the shutdown to end. Trump signed a bill guaranteeing back pay for the workers who have been furloughed or forced to work without pay since the shutdown began Dec. 22. Government employees could also miss their next paycheck, which is due Friday.

Democratic leaders have not always opposed a border wall. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) supported the Secure Fence Act of 2006, as did then-Sens. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.). The Act provided about 700 miles of fencing along the border. By 2015, virtually all of the project was completed, Fox News reported.
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Yes, President Trump desires a border wall (or fence). So do many others.

Any negotiation in good faith would begin with the fact that this desire is set in stone; and would also include any Democrats' desires that are similarly set in stone.

Instead, those on the left--which is to say, Democrats--wish to obviate this by offering some sort of (amorphous) "border security"--but without a wall (or fence).

This is, obviously, not a good-faith negotiation.

Really, it is not a negotiation at all.

The Democrats simply wish to deny the president any sort of victory, going into 2020. And they especially with to deny him anything which they campaigned on.

This is not merely bare-knuckle politics. It is more like brass-knuckle politics.
First Trump needs to negotiate with the Democrats. He hasn't done that yet. He cloistered with his own team and announced his offer.
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With the snicker able exception of the knowledge that somewhere in all this is a "Mr. Pelosi." nothing about this is funny dearie. Nothing.

Pelosi won't come to the table. Besides, she rejected the proposal before the President even announced it.
Why is she so mad and intractable?????

Speaker Pelosi is not a woman scorned. To be fair, President Trump supported her nomination to speaker. Several times even defended her on it.
Yet she refused to give one inch.


The shutdown is on Trump. No question. But despite having supported such barriers before,, this time because TRUMP wants one,,,; she has said no wall PERIOD. The failure to restart is on Princess Pelosi and her whipped dog buddy Chuckie.

Reagan warned us of this woman's corruption calling her evil. She is! We should have listened.
Trump never invited her and Schumer to the table. he met with the two Republicans only. That is not a way to compromise.
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First Trump needs to negotiate with the Democrats. He hasn't done that yet. He cloistered with his own team and announced his offer.
It's hard to negotiate with people that refuse to even show up to discuss the idea.
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First Trump needs to negotiate with the Democrats. He hasn't done that yet. He cloistered with his own team and announced his offer.
When people give their answer before a question is posed, most people call that stonewalling, or obstructing.

Please take a look again at what has been happening, even with Trumps public offer of compromise.... and there, you will see a stubborn, juvenile stomp the floor of fingers in the ears 'lalalalalala' from Pelosi.


She isn't portraying the Democrats in a positive light.
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First Trump needs to negotiate with the Democrats. He hasn't done that yet. He cloistered with his own team and announced his offer.
Just how can he "negotiate" with someone who declares that she will not agree to fund the wall, under any circumstances?

It seems that Speaker Pelosi has decided to cut off all negotiation--not President Trump.
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Chuck Schumer; one-half of the creepy non-blinking duo; said Trump's compromise is the equivelant of ransom demands.

What scares the fuq outta me is that there's actually peeps within the Democratic party that take this dude seriously. If ya don't laugh your ass off at the stupidity he and Nancy spew, then I have some bad news for ya regarding your IQ.
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