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Most compromise meetings are done with peeps who are willing to compromise; not sit there with their fingers in their ears goin', "LALALALALALA!!!"
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Here's what Trump offered. Keep in mind libs rejected this before Trump spoke or even knew what he was gonna offer, lolz.

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Trump said that he was prepared to back a three-year extension of protections for 700,000 immigrants who came to the country illegally as children and were shielded from deportation under the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, in exchange for the $5.7 billion he has requested for a wall on the southern border.

The deal would also extend protections for 300,000 recipients of the Temporary Protected Status (TPS) program -- which protects immigrants from designated countries with conditions that prevent nationals from returning safely.
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It would also offer $800 million for drug detection technology to secure ports of entry, 2,750 new border agents and law enforcement professionals, and 75 new immigration judges to reduce the backlog of asylum requests. He said that all his measures have been supported by Democrats before.
Trump offers immigration compromise to end partial shutdown; Dems cool to offer
NO OFFER TO END THE SHUTDOWN BY PRESIDENT TRUMP


President Trump did not mention ending the government shutdown even once in his speech.

After misrepresenting the problem Trump did state, "Both sides in Washington must simply come together, listen to each other, put down their armor, build trust, reach across the aisle and find solutions."

Then he goes on to dictate what he wants that's not a bipartisan solution to anything. He even doubles down on not seeking or wanting a bipartisan solution when he states:

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That is our plan. Border security, DACA, TPS and many other things. Straightforward, fair, reasonable and common sense, with lots of compromise. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has pledged to bring this bill to a vote this week in the United States Senate.
Mitch McConnell doesn't have any legislation on immigration that received bipartisan support to do what Trump demands.

Democrats in both the Senate and House want to sit down with Republicans and hammer out a compromise agreement on immigration reform but Trump doesn't want that. That would take time to accomplish and it arguably wouldn't have the "border wall" that Trump desires. It wouldn't offer three-years of protection to those currently covered by DACA. It would offer a permanent solution to those currently under DACA protection.

Arguably it would also end the humanitarian crisis in Mexico that Trump has created by forcing him to grant refugee visas authorized by Congress to the thousands that he's denied that's resulted in the crisis. America was admired by other countries on immigration because of this:

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Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
The one bipartisan agreement on immigration has always been our policies to allow refugees into the United States. Refugee asylum is at the very core of being an American.

Trump didn't mention ending the shutdown. Not one word about it even if Democrats agreed to his "White House Plan" that lacks any bipartisan support in Congress,

He can get the money for drug detection equipment.

He can get the money for more Border Patrol agents.

He can even get more staff and judges for the new crisis he's caused with his mass arrest policies for ICE that's almost doubled the number of cases that require adjudication from 500,000 to 900,000.

He can end the humanitarian crisis in Mexico by allowing the refugees into the United States in compliance with our law.

He can also cut unlawful entry into the United States by 80% (according to the Border Patrol) by allowing parents with their children to be allowed into the United States as refugees.

As for his wall the follow story exemplified how easily it's penetrated.

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The largest single group of asylum seekers ever to cross into the U.S. tunneled beneath the border wall near San Luis, Arizona, on Monday, voluntarily turning themselves into Customs and Border Protection, according to the agency.

Migrants can be seen marching toward Border Patrol agents by the hundreds, according to video obtained by ABC News. Smugglers dug a series of seven holes, only a few feet long beneath the steel border fence, with hundreds going beneath the wall and a smaller number clambering over it, according to CBP.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/largest-si...opstories.html


Seven tunnels under it and others climbing over it. Fortunately these weren't criminals trying to enter the United States. They were refugees that were denied their right to apply for refugee status at a US port of entry to receive asylum so they went over and under a wall to present themselves to the Border Patrol that by law must allow them to apply for asylum once they set foot on US soil.


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NO OFFER TO END THE SHUTDOWN BY PRESIDENT TRUMP
Yes, we know the lib msm talking points. Fortunately Trump did this in front of a camera so we all know the truth and what he really said.

Ball's in Pelosi's court. Will she compromise like Trump did or stand stubborn just because she hates Trump and doesn't want border security?
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Most compromise meetings are done with peeps who are willing to compromise; not sit there with their fingers in their ears goin', "LALALALALALA!!!"
The Democratic Party actually has a policy on immigration.

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The Democratic Party supports legal immigration, within reasonable limits, that meets the needs of families, communities, and the economy as well as maintains the United States’ role as a beacon of hope for people seeking safety, freedom, and security.
https://democrats.org/about/party-pl...en-immigration

That sounds like a reasonable basis for revising our immigration laws to match our values.

I've been unable to locate any policy statement on immigration by the Republican Party. I've read a lot about what Republicans oppose but nothing on what they support as far as immigration policy.
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Yes, we know the lib msm talking points. Fortunately Trump did this in front of a camera so we all know the truth and what he really said.

Ball's in Pelosi's court. Will she compromise like Trump did or stand stubborn just because she hates Trump and doesn't want border security?
The Balls in Mitch McConnell's court. He's the one refusing to allow legislation to fund the government that was passed in the House to be voted on in the Senate because he knows it will also pass in the Senate.

Until the government goes back to work, with pay, then there's no reason for Congress to address any other issue.
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The Democratic Party actually has a policy on immigration.
Open borders isn't much of an immigration policy.
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The Balls in Mitch McConnell's court. He's the one refusing to allow legislation to fund the government that was passed in the House to be voted on in the Senate because he knows it will also pass in the Senate.

Until the government goes back to work, with pay, then there's no reason for Congress to address any other issue.
Mish tha Bish has plans already for this legislation so he can try to shift the blame to Democrats.
We need a comprehensive immigration bill. But we need to open the government first.
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Open borders isn't much of an immigration policy.
Read the Democrat's policy statement on immigration again.

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The Democratic Party supports legal immigration, within reasonable limits, that meets the needs of families, communities, and the economy as well as maintains the United States’ role as a beacon of hope for people seeking safety, freedom, and security.
"Within reasonable limits" is not an open border policy.

Why does Donald Trump and his supporters continuously lie about the Democrat's policies on immigration that has never supported an open border policy?

By way of example, if memory serves me correctly, in addressing "reasonable limits" in 2016 the last year of the Obama Administration the US allowed 110,000 refugees into the United States. With a population of over 300 million allowing 110,000 refugees isn't even a significant fraction of what the US could easily assimilate into our society. We could easily assimilate thirty times that many refugees and not even notice it.

If anything is unreasonable it's that for 2018 I've read that Trump only allowed 20,000 refugees into the United States while creating a refugee humanitarian crisis in Mexico for over 6,000 refugees he could easily have allowed in under our current laws but refused to allow them to apply. This also created an unnecessary border security problem as these refugees, not allowed into the United States in compliance with our laws, use the alternative method of unlawfully crossing the border where the Border Patrol is then required by law to allow them to apply for asylum. The Border Patrol reported that about 80% of those unlawfully crossing the border are refugees with children seeking asylum that were denied their right to apply as refugees at a port of entry,

These are not criminals or drug smugglers, These are refugees that our laws provide for in allowing them to lawfully enter the United States. Lawful immigration is what we should be supporting and not denial of lawful immigration like the Trump administration.
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We can summarize Trump's message in two sentences.

NO OFFER TO END THE SHUTDOWN

NO COMPROMISES OFFERED BY TRUMP

Trump just doesn't understand that he can't dictate terms and hold over 800,000 federal workers hostage to his demands.
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Read the Democrat's policy statement on immigration again.
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