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Old 01-11-2019, 01:02 PM
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The partial government shutdown enters its 21st day, tying a record for the longest lapse in funding.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/gove...all-fight.html

So where are we at and what are the possible/probable outcomes.

President Trump is intransient in his demand for a border wall or fence built of concrete or steel along the US-Mexico border. If Congress won't fund it then he's threatened to declare an emergency and use funds either from the US military, FEMA allocated funds for disasters, or perhaps both.

Democrats are never in 100 years going to provide funds for Trump's wall and they don't have to. They have the support of the American people and no reason to capitulate to the demands of President Trump that they were, for the most part, elected to oppose on stupid crap like this. The Democrats are not being blamed for the shutdown.

Republicans are between a rock and a hard place. They know that the Democrats in the House will never approve funding for the wall. The also know that Democrats overwhelmingly support improving border security but Trump won't talk "border security" because he's hung up on the Wall that he'll never get funding for. Mitch McConnell, that's been missing in action, refuses to put the House bill that funds the government to a vote knowing it will pass without any problem in the Senate.

Republicans also know that they're being blamed for the shutdown along with President Trump. Unlike Trump they also know the damage to the country that the shutdown is causing and that if the damage is severe enough in 2020 a Republican won't even be electable in a bright red state.

I'm seeing two things.

Yes, Trump could declare an emergency (when one doesn't exist) and get away with it. It takes a veto-proof joint resolution to stop him from stealing money from the military and/or taking money for people suffering some of the worst natural disasters in our history but it's a bad move. It would allow the next president, a Democrat, to declare states of emergency over things like gun deaths and then confiscate firearms with impunity. Republicans are crazy of they support Trump declaring an emergency because the payback would shake their very core. Of course whatever Trump accomplished on the wall would be quickly and inexpensively gone with a few sticks of dynamite placed along it.

The Republican lawmakers really have no options. They can't stick with Trump and they know that the funding bill will never include money for the wall.

So why are they, or more specifically Mitch McConnell, holding out? Trump can veto legislation of the Senate passes the House funding but that just kicks it back to Congress where Republicans are going to have to join the Democrats and make the funding legislation veto proof with 2/3rds supporting it. Why not do it now and be heroes as opposed to villains in the coming days.
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Good. Let's hope that Trump prevails and secures the necessary funds to secure our southern border in spite of the ever changing positions of the Democratic party leaders.
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* Breaking news * Thousand of people dying in the streets because of Government shutdown.
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Good. Let's hope that Trump prevails and secures the necessary funds to secure our southern border in spite of the ever changing positions of the Democratic party leaders.
Trump can have the funds to secure the Southern border if he's willing to accept a bipartisan commission's recommendation on how best to provide that security. His instance upon a wall without any studies done to indicate it's effectiveness is plain stupid.

Trump is the one that doesn't want to talk effective border security, not the Democrats and not the Republicans in Congress. Trump's position is that if doesn't include his wall it doesn't provide border security and that's nonsense.

Trump likes to use the analogy of the wheel that's been around forever but he forgets that today we have mag-lift technology used on high speed trains that's far more efficient at moving mass over distance that the wheel. We have airplanes to cover distance far faster than the wheel. The wheel is old and proven technology but it's not as good as new technology when it comes to moving things.

Historically "walls" have never stopped people. The Great Wall of China was a colossal failure. Hadrian's wall in Great Britain never stopped people from crossing from the North into the South. The Berlin Wall did not prevent people from going from E Berlin into W Berlin.
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Government shutdown? Lobbyist party!

Meanwhile Trump has been in the WH almost non-stop waitin' for libs to come to the table with a serious proposal.

Any word on how Pelosi's Hawaiian vacation went?

Dems party with more than 100 lobbyists in Puerto Rico despite partial government shutdown

Despite the partial government shutdown, which is now the longest in United States history, 30 Democratic congressional lawmakers flew to Puerto Rico this weekend for a winter retreat to vacation and meet with more than 100 lobbyists and corporate executives.

What are the details?

According to the Washington Examiner, 30 Democratic lawmakers including their families and chiefs of staff flew to Puerto Rico on a chartered 737 jet on Friday, where they planned to meet with 109 lobbyists and corporate executives, attend several parties, and see a special showing of the hit Broadway play "Hamilton."

Those attending the retreat, hosted by the Congressional Hispanic Caucus BOLD PAC, also partook in some business, including attending a roundtable to discuss Hurricane Maria cleanup.

"We are excited for you to join us for CHC BOLD PAC's 2019 Winter Retreat in San Juan, Puerto Rico! Each year, this retreat serves as a way for our CHC BOLD PAC Members and friends in the D.C. community to come together to escape the cold and discuss our shared priorities for a stronger and more prosperous country," a memo for the event said, according to the Examiner.

Lobbyists and corporate executives from Facebook, Amazon, Comcast, R.J. Reynolds, Verizon, Microsoft, Intel, and PhRMA were in attendance, in addition to representatives from major unions like the National Education Association.

Officials from BOLD PAC did not reveal which lawmakers made the trip. But, Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) was spotted on a beach by a Fox News producer on Saturday:

Retreat participants stayed at a seaside resort where rooms go for $429 per night, the Examiner reported.

Additionally, the chartered jet carried just 250 pounds of donated medical supplies.

What did the PAC say?

Given the situation in Washington, the trip has garnered negative attention. However, BOLD PAC chairman Rep. Tony Cardenas (D-Calif.) said the criticism is unfounded.

He told the Examiner in a statement:

House Democrats voted to open the government multiple times; sadly, Senate Republicans and President Trump are continuing to put partisan politics ahead of our country, forcing the government to remain shut down. As our Bold PAC members make their way to Puerto Rico for this important weekend the largest contingency of House Democrats to visit Puerto Rico where they'll be hearing from Commonwealth and local elected officials about the ongoing recovery efforts we will be closely monitoring the situation in Washington. If there is any progress by Senate Republicans or the White House to reopen the federal government, then we will act accordingly.

This gathering was planned months before Trump decided to shut down the federal government for his unnecessary and costly border wall. The purpose of hosting Bold PAC's retreat in Puerto Rico is to see and hear from the more than 3.5 million American citizens who have been working tirelessly to rebuild their lives on the Island after Hurricane Maria. This remains a national priority, and it is necessary for us to be there and honor our fellow American children, seniors, veterans, men and women.

Lawmakers are expected to return Monday evening.
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President Trump is standing on Principle.
The Democrats are standing on beaches in Puerto Rico and Hawaii.

He owns this. They own nothing, including any sense of responsibility for their constituents, much less the government employees who are not being paid.


For years, both sides have promised "comprehensive" immigration reform which included a hardened border,,,;WALLS and Technology. From Bush 41 'til now...... nothing! We finally have a President who will hold them to it.

The longer this goes, the more the people suffer, the better he looks.
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President Trump is standing on Principle.
The Democrats are standing on beaches in Puerto Rico and Hawaii.

He owns this. They own nothing, including any sense of responsibility for their constituents, much less the government employees who are not being paid.


For years, both sides have promised "comprehensive" immigration reform which included a hardened border,,,;WALLS and Technology. From Bush 41 'til now...... nothing! We finally have a President who will hold them to it.

The longer this goes, the more the people suffer, the better he looks.
Democrats hate it when promises are kept, and the people get what they want. That's is not how they want the government to run. They prefer empty, "feel good" promises, that are never kept.
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Historically "walls" have never stopped people.
I scaled your rambling post down to the point, however the point is wrong. Ask Israel. Trump: Is a Border Wall Effective? Ask Israel | CBN News
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Democrats hate it when promises are kept, and the people get what they want. That's is not how they want the government to run. They prefer empty, "feel good" promises, that are never kept.
Problems are the source of campaign promises. They are not solved by the government because they want us to believe only government can fix the problems.

They prefer to have us believe we need them.
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I scaled your rambling post down to the point, however the point is wrong. Ask Israel. Trump: Is a Border Wall Effective? Ask Israel | CBN News
Walls do not STOP armies intent on gaining access. But they do impede them. What is inside must be worth the price paid to breach the defenses.

As you point out Walls do work. I have yet to see anyone apposed to show that they live without them, or fences or doors and windows with locks on them.

Perhaps ShivaT can prove me wrong by example.
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