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Old 01-04-2019, 11:43 AM
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In addition to pursuing a baseless impeachment and continuing the government shutdown, libs wanna eliminate the electoral college.

For those that are wondering why, it's because Trump won the electoral college in 2016 but lost the popular vote. So because libs got beat by a system they once approved of, they now wanna do away with it because Trump used it to beat 'em.

House Dems move to eliminate Electoral College, limit presidential pardon power and more in first days back

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With their party in control, several House Democrats forged ahead this week with legislation aimed at changing future presidential elections or curtailing the commander in chief’s power.

Articles of impeachment and a move to end the ongoing partial government shutdown – albeit, without President Trump’s explicit demand for funding for a border wall – were also brought up as the 116th Congress convened for the first time.

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Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., introduced a pair of constitutional amendments that would eliminate the Electoral College as well as strictly prohibiting a president from pardoning himself, family members or associates.

Trump secured the 2016 election by winning the Electoral College with 304 votes to Democrat Hillary Clinton’s 232. But Clinton beat Trump by nearly 3 million in the popular vote. Especially since then, many Democrats have vociferously opposed the system.

Cohen, in particular, called the Electoral College “distorting” and “outdated” in a statement regarding his proposals.

“Americans expect and deserve the winner of the popular vote to win office,” he said. “More than a century ago, we amended our Constitution to provide for the direct election of U.S. Senators. It is past time to directly elect our President and Vice President.”
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Is Rep. Steve Cohen trying to out stupid Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? Is there some kind of trophy for proving that they are the dumbest of their colleagues?
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Is Rep. Steve Cohen trying to out stupid Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? Is there some kind of trophy for proving that they are the dumbest of their colleagues?
Well apparently Democrats are not bright enough to know what the electoral college is. The Idiot Trump knows what it is, and used it to win. Hillary and Company thought she just needed the West coast, East coast, and Illinois votes to win.
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In addition to pursuing a baseless impeachment and continuing the government shutdown, libs wanna eliminate the electoral college.

For those that are wondering why, it's because Trump won the electoral college in 2016 but lost the popular vote. So because libs got beat by a system they once approved of, they now wanna do away with it because Trump used it to beat 'em.

House Dems move to eliminate Electoral College, limit presidential pardon power and more in first days back
Then the first time the lose the popular vote, they will say that election was unconstitutional, and demand impeachment.
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The Congress has more than enough levers to f*ck up the country on a short term basis. We can vote them out when they do. They don't need to F*ck with the Constitution.



Removing the rights of the people to remove them from power will bring the death of the Republic.
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In addition to pursuing a baseless impeachment and continuing the government shutdown, libs wanna eliminate the electoral college.

For those that are wondering why, it's because Trump won the electoral college in 2016 but lost the popular vote. So because libs got beat by a system they once approved of, they now wanna do away with it because Trump used it to beat 'em.

House Dems move to eliminate Electoral College, limit presidential pardon power and more in first days back
This must be their D.O.A bills to appease the morons who voted for them. Much like how republicans knowingly used to write Obama care repeal D.O.A bills that Obama would never ever in a million years sign.
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If we lose the Electoral college, we lose Federalism. The States of California, or New York, and/or Texas, will then determine whom is elected President.

They currently impact the balance of power in Congress. If Texas goes blue, next election, then the GOP will likely never regain control of Congress. The states will have to rely, as we can now see in real time in DC, on the Executive branch to represent them.

Without the EC, this regulating damper on power swings will be removed. The congress will be elected by the same majority of voters by which the Congress is formed. That eliminates the Presidency as a coequal power center. The Republic will fail soon after.

Keep in mind that hilary didn't campaign inmany of the fly-over low population states. Trump did, and that's why he won. More to the point, it is why she lost.

Without the EC the small states would find they have no influence on national elections. They will be at the mercy of the initiatives of California, Texas, Florida, New York, and Pennsylvania. The Federalist Republic will then fail.
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If we lose the Electoral college, we lose Federalism. The States of California, or New York, and/or Texas, will then determine whom is elected President.

They currently impact the balance of power in Congress. If Texas goes blue, next election, then the GOP will likely never regain control of Congress. The states will have to rely, as we can now see in real time in DC, on the Executive branch to represent them.

Without the EC, this regulating damper on power swings will be removed. The congress will be elected by the same majority of voters by which the Congress is formed. That eliminates the Presidency as a coequal power center. The Republic will fail soon after.

Keep in mind that hilary didn't campaign inmany of the fly-over low population states. Trump did, and that's why he won. More to the point, it is why she lost.

Without the EC the small states would find they have no influence on national elections. They will be at the mercy of the initiatives of California, Texas, Florida, New York, and Pennsylvania. The Federalist Republic will then fail.
i believe the most damage to the republic came with the ratification of the 17th amendment.
eliminating the electoral college would do even more.
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i believe the most damage to the republic came with the ratification of the 17th amendment.
eliminating the electoral college would do even more.
Absolutely right. Woody Wilson's wife did a lot of damage. But that, and income tax, was the worse of it.
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If we lose the Electoral college, we lose Federalism. The States of California, or New York, and/or Texas, will then determine whom is elected President.

They currently impact the balance of power in Congress. If Texas goes blue, next election, then the GOP will likely never regain control of Congress. The states will have to rely, as we can now see in real time in DC, on the Executive branch to represent them.

Without the EC, this regulating damper on power swings will be removed. The congress will be elected by the same majority of voters by which the Congress is formed. That eliminates the Presidency as a coequal power center. The Republic will fail soon after.

Keep in mind that hilary didn't campaign inmany of the fly-over low population states. Trump did, and that's why he won. More to the point, it is why she lost.

Without the EC the small states would find they have no influence on national elections. They will be at the mercy of the initiatives of California, Texas, Florida, New York, and Pennsylvania. The Federalist Republic will then fail.
If that happens, we got ourselves a new civil war. 47 states are not going to be governed by 2 or 3 cities.

Those two or three cities cannot win a civil war.
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