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If that happens, we got ourselves a new civil war. 47 states are not going to be governed by 2 or 3 cities.

Those two or three cities cannot win a civil war.
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If that happens, we got ourselves a new civil war. 47 states are not going to be governed by 2 or 3 cities.

Those two or three cities cannot win a civil war.
we’d could possibly see real concerted and successful efforts of states seceding without any actual combat.
no civil war in the sense of armed conflict - primarily a political battle.
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we’d could possibly see real concerted and successful efforts of states seceding without any actual combat.
no civil war in the sense of armed conflict - primarily a political battle.
The South tried that in 1860. Didn't work. I doubt it will work any better today.
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The South tried that in 1860. Didn't work. I doubt it will work any better today.
a major portion of the population don’t have the stomach for armed conflict.
and half the ones who think they do would probably schitt their panties if it came to that. and i don’t believe we have the kind of leadership today that was resolved to preserve the union back then. maybe an outside aggressor could force american unity. beyond that we could face catastrophic chaos.
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In addition to pursuing a baseless impeachment and continuing the government shutdown, libs wanna eliminate the electoral college.

For those that are wondering why, it's because Trump won the electoral college in 2016 but lost the popular vote. So because libs got beat by a system they once approved of, they now wanna do away with it because Trump used it to beat 'em.

House Dems move to eliminate Electoral College, limit presidential pardon power and more in first days back
There will be a lot of bills put forward. Let's see what makes it to the floor.
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There will be a lot of bills put forward. Let's see what makes it to the floor.
It's a constitutional amendment proposed by a single Democrat, that's a much larger challenge than a simple bill.

It's not going anywhere.
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a major portion of the population don’t have the stomach for armed conflict.
and half the ones who think they do would probably schitt their panties if it came to that. and i don’t believe we have the kind of leadership today that was resolved to preserve the union back then. maybe an outside aggressor could force american unity. beyond that we could face catastrophic chaos.
You may be correct, but a major portion are also followers. WW II started with most of the country believing not our problem, not our fight. Then the Japanese made it our problem. Big mistake. In two hours the mood reversed. Kids were recycling newspapers and cans and 5:00 was war news hour, and a year later Ford lifted the first superfortress off the runway. I think the left may be making the same mistake.

I think leaders emerge when needed. They're there. They will step up.

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It's a constitutional amendment proposed by a single Democrat, that's a much larger challenge than a simple bill.

It's not going anywhere.
It’s something that should happen, but it has no chance. However, the state electoral compact (in which states agree to require all of their electors to vote for the national popular vote winner) is close to having majority support and it will produce the same result. We’re well past the point historically that state interests justify giving a little state like Wyoming or Delaware 4 times more voting power than a big state like Texas or California.
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You may be correct, but a major portion are also followers. WW II started with most of the country believing not our problem, not our fight. Then the Japanese made it our problem. Big mistake. In two hours the mood reversed. Kids were recycling newspapers and cans and 5:00 was war news hour, and a year later Ford lifted the first superfortress off the runway. I think the left may be making the same mistake.

I think leaders emerge when needed. They're there. They will step up.

All, of course, my opinion.
the fact that we have a 17th amendment and people still don’t understand the damage it has done to the republic and that there is a growing sentiment for abolishing the electoral college tells me anything is possible.
and it seems there’s a growing sense of apathy toward such things.
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It’s something that should happen, but it has no chance. However, the state electoral compact (in which states agree to require all of their electors to vote for the national popular vote winner) is close to having majority support and it will produce the same result. We’re well past the point historically that state interests justify giving a little state like Wyoming or Delaware 4 times more voting power than a big state like Texas or California.
How do you figure that Wyoming has 4 times the voting power than Texas or California?

Do you really want to shove all the small states back into a corner and let the inner cites dictate what happens to our country?

Like I said before. The first time a Republican wins the popular vote, you and all the other anti EC will be screaming that it was unfair, and you will try using the EC to Impeach the POTUS.

Tell me something, I don't believe you have the guts, but humor me.

If Hillary had won, and Trump received the popular vote, would we be having this conversation? Never mind, we ALL know the answer.

The left has not accepted the results from the last 3 presidential elections where a Republican has won. And I said years ago that they will NEVER EVER accept a republican win until people realize that the MSM and Democrats are one in the same.
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