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Folded like a cheap suit. After all the threats, the tough talk, the bluster, the acceptance of credit for shutting down the government over his stupid wall, Trump caved, again.

And now with Democrats having the majority in the House come January after winning 40 seats in the midterms, the wall appears to be dead for now.

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President Trump on Tuesday abandoned months of strident demands for Congress to give him $5 billion for his border wall, bowing to political reality as Republicans scrambled to avoid shutting down large portions of the government this weekend.

It was a stunning turnaround from one week ago, when Trump told Democratic congressional leaders during a bizarre on-camera sparring match that he’d be “proud” to shut down the government to get his wall money. Instead, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Tuesday, Trump does not want a shutdown and will identify “other ways” to fund a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

But the concession by the president, which came after lawmakers from both parties argued that his $5 billion wall plan wouldn’t get through Congress, did not break the impasse that’s overtaken Capitol Hill in the final days of unified GOP control of Washington.

Democrats rejected a Republican spending offer made shortly after Trump’s retreat on the wall, and Congress appeared headed toward the lowest-common-denominator solution: a short-term funding extension that would keep the government open for a period of weeks and then hand Democrats the responsibility of passing a more lasting fix once they retake the House majority in January.

“That’s probably the likeliest path at this point. It’s disappointing,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said after emerging from a closed-door Senate GOP lunch. “We’re very close to being able to finish out the budget process, the appropriations process around here.”

A short-term funding extension, called a “continuing resolution,” would become the only option for keeping the government open past a Friday midnight deadline if lawmakers and Trump can’t agree on a broader deal. By late Tuesday, the Senate Appropriations Committee had begun drafting a short-term bill that would carry government funding into February, said the panel’s chairman, Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.).

But it was uncertain whether the president would sign such a measure, and the overall outcome was impossible to predict given Trump’s tendency to swiftly embrace new demands and discard old ones.

Trump’s wall ultimatum had been holding up spending bills for the Department of Homeland Security and numerous other agencies making up about 25 percent of the federal government, all of which will begin to shut down and furlough hundreds of thousands of workers without pay if Congress and Trump don’t act before the deadline.

That’s a scenario congressional Republicans are determined to avoid as their last act after two years of unified control of Washington. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) flatly told reporters Tuesday that there would not be a shutdown.

“The American people don’t like it,” McConnell said. “You remember my favorite country saying: There’s no education in the second kick of a mule. We’ve been down this path before, and I don’t believe we’ll go down this path again.”



A partial government shutdown would be the third this year, after Congress’s terminal budget dysfunction forced two brief shutdowns in January and February before lawmakers managed to get their spending bills back on track. But that effort was derailed again in recent fighting over the border, as Trump demanded taxpayer funds for a wall he had long claimed Mexico would pay for.

The short-term approach emerged as the likeliest fallback Tuesday afternoon after hours of fast-paced maneuvering, starting with a morning appearance by Sanders on Fox News. Sanders said the White House wanted to avoid a shutdown and was exploring other ways to obtain $5 billion for the wall, rather than getting it from Congress.

Soon thereafter, Senate Republican leaders summoned their Democratic counterparts to a meeting in McConnell’s office, where they made an offer: $1.6 billion for border security — a figure already agreed to on a bipartisan basis in the Senate — plus an additional $1 billion in unspent and reallocated money that could go to fund other Trump immigration priorities, but not a wall.


Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) took the offer to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). The Democrats rejected it almost immediately, terming the $1 billion a “slush fund” that would be spent on immigration policies they oppose.

“Leader Schumer and I have said that we cannot support the offer they made of a billion-dollar slush fund for the president to implement his very wrong immigration policies,” Pelosi told reporters. “So, that won’t happen.”

Additionally, the $1.6 billion the Senate agreed on earlier this year is now too high for Democrats, especially liberals who are about to be part of the majority in the House and will accept no more than $1.3 billion for fencing.

That sent lawmakers and the White House “back to square one,” said Shelby.

“I was disappointed in the response,” Shelby said, calling the GOP proposal a reasonable offer. And now, he said, “I’m sure there’ll be proposals back and forth, but you know, it’s not long until midnight Friday.”

At the White House shortly thereafter, Trump was asked at an event on school safety about avoiding a shutdown.

“We’ll see what happens. It’s too early to say,” he said. He sidestepped a question on whether he was still willing to shut down the government to get $5 billion for the wall, saying only, “We need border security.”

But Republican lawmakers who’d begun to fear that Trump’s wall demands could precipitate a government shutdown — something they’re determined to avoid — were plainly relieved to see the president back away and welcomed greater flexibility from the administration.

“It makes me feel great, because first of all, the acknowledgment or at least the intent to not shut down is enormously helpful, especially after last week,” said Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.). “I think the general sense is that this is probably a loosening of the hardened positions.”

At the same time, GOP lawmakers remained uncertain, as they have been for days, about what exactly Trump will accept. The White House has signaled opposition to a short-term spending bill, and senators said that while they hoped Trump would sign one if it came to that, they couldn’t say for sure.

But the White House put the onus on the Senate.

“You know, at this point, the Senate has thrown out a lot of ideas. We’re disappointed in the fact that they’ve yet to actually vote on something and pass something,” Sanders said at a White House briefing. “So when they do that, we’ll make a determination on whether or not we’re going to sign that.”

Tuesday’s developments came after failed efforts by the White House and Republicans in recent days to try to get Democrats to sign onto $5 billion to pay for the construction of Trump’s long-promised wall.


While meeting with Schumer and Pelosi last week, Trump said he would be “proud” to shut down the government over the issue, a statement that congressional Republicans openly said muddied their messaging that Democrats should be blamed for a shutdown.

With Democrats near-unanimously opposing Trump’s demand for $5 billion, Republicans lacked a path to pass the funding because they could not assemble the 60 Senate votes needed to advance a homeland security spending bill.

House and Senate Republicans have been in talks with the White House in recent days looking at other ways to try to secure funding outside the traditional appropriations process. They have considered redirecting already approved money, among other things, according to a person briefed on the talks who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the deliberations.


Trump has threatened to shut down the entire border if Democrats do not agree to give him $5 billion, a threat that did not appear to force their capitulation.

Monday evening, Shelby said he was expecting a proposal from the White House, perhaps at 5 p.m., that never materialized. But the White House never promised a 5 p.m. proposal, and then Senate Republicans signaled that they planned to move ahead on an overhaul of the criminal justice system this week, giving them very little time to negotiate a budget bill.

Meanwhile, the stock market has fallen precipitously in recent weeks, creating economic angst over Trump’s agenda. The president has attacked the Federal Reserve, among others, for the market’s tumble, but the slipping stocks have rattled him, according to people who have spoken with him both inside and outside the White House.

The people spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose the internal White House sentiment.

Congressional Republicans promised Trump several months ago that if he would delay a fight over the border wall until after the midterm elections, they would help him obtain the money in December. But those efforts never materialized, and the president was under heavy pressure to avoid a partial government shutdown just a few days before Christmas.

“The advice he’s getting is to not do this, to just sign the bill, get this over with, and get into 2019 and then have this fight,” said Steve Moore, who was an adviser to Trump during the 2016 campaign.

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he had to.
because at the end of the day no matter anyone’s opinion on the wall he promised mexico would pay for it. and whether they would or not he can’t hang the five billion on the u.s. taxpayer. even some of his supporters; like bush’s read my lips moment; would not let this fly.
as for shutting down the government...eh...most know it doesn’t mean a whole lot.
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Folded like a cheap suit. After all the threats, the tough talk, the bluster, the acceptance of credit for shutting down the government over his stupid wall, Trump caved, again.

And now with Democrats having the majority in the House come January after winning 40 seats in the midterms, the wall appears to be dead for now.
So, according to your post, he's damned if he does, and he's damned if he doesn't.

While I do not support his concept of 'The Wall', the illegal immigration has to be addressed in some manner with physical obstacles. Pungee traps may accidently harm the fauna, so what do you recommend as resolution to the issue?
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This is good news for libs in the 2020 election. Tons of new illegal and unregistered voters.

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Those illegals sneaking in may just turn around and vote Republican instead.
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Libs - NO WALLS!!!!!

Meanwhile at the Obama's....

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The border patrol should give these illegals, maps to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumers houses as they feel no need for walls. That way they can demonstrate how "open" they are to these people invading their homes.
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The border patrol should give these illegals, maps to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumers houses as they feel no need for walls. That way they can demonstrate how "open" they are to these people invading their homes.
Send 'em to the New York Times' office. Oh wait....

New York Times erects security barrier around Manhattan office after opposing Trump's border wall

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The New York Times' office on Wednesday was surrounded by large concrete blocks that say "NYPD" on them outside of its headquarters in Manhattan as a part of an enhanced security measure, a spokeswoman for the paper told the Washington Examiner.

The barriers were placed there as "part of our continuing efforts to enhance security at our headquarters building," said Times spokeswoman Eileen Murphy in an email. She said they were placed there on Wednesday but that they aren't in response to any new or specific threat.

Alastair Coote, who works for the Times, posted a picture Wednesday on Twitter that showed at least five white blocks, which he identified as concrete, stationed in front of the Times' glass-door entrance.
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So, according to your post, he's damned if he does, and he's damned if he doesn't.

While I do not support his concept of 'The Wall', the illegal immigration has to be addressed in some manner with physical obstacles. Pungee traps may accidently harm the fauna, so what do you recommend as resolution to the issue?
My sentiments EXACTLY.

I do not support the wall as envisioned in his campaign. Not 2,00 miles of it, 30 feet high, nor that Mexico would directly pay the bill. Border security improvements however, that's a whole nuther matter.

Trump did what he was forced to do here, chose to back away for the benefit of the people. His opposition can make no such claim because their prime motive was to prevent the President from keeping a campaign promise. I know this to be true because my liberal friends keep asking me "....but what about the wall? Where's the wall?"

I betting had Trump promised not to spend a dime at the border, the left would be all over that and the wall would have been paid for and done by last Christmas.
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