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This is a ridiculous idea. This would hurt low-income people with cell phones under the guise of helping low-income people.

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California state regulators have been working on a plan to charge mobile phone users a text messaging fee intended to fund programs that make phone service accessible to the low-income residents, reports said Tuesday.

The California Public Utilities Commission is scheduled to vote on the proposal next month, but critics have already come out against the scheme, the San Jose Mercury News reported.

“It’s a dumb idea,” Jim Wunderman, president of the Bay Area Council business group, told the paper.

“This is how conversations take place in this day and age, and it’s almost like saying there should be a tax on the conversations we have,” he added.

While the amount consumers would be expected to pay remained unclear, some business groups are saying the new charges could cost wireless users more than $44 million a year, FOX11 Los Angeles reported.

Charges may also be applied retroactively to messages sent in the past five years, which has raised questions concerning the proposal’s legality, Rufus Jeffress, vice president of the Bay Area Council, told the San Francisco Bay Area’s KNTV-TV.
You can read more about this asinine proposal here: https://www.lifezette.com/2018/12/a-...MUXDwJoZBaU8H0
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Besides the obvious stupidity, I'm also annoyed at the fact that this tax would be collected by the private mobile companies, themselves...

"That person texted so WE are charging him X dollars...YO have to add it to THEIR bill and YOU collect it, then give it to us."...
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California--The Leftist Paradise (and one uses that last word rather loosely here)--is a great believer in egalitarianism. (Of course, just how that would work in this case--since it is not just upper-income people--or even the middle class--who have cell phones--remains unclear.)

The most disturbing part of this proposal is its suggestion of retroactive application: The US Constitution specifically forbids ex post facto laws (Article 1, Section 10, as concerning state laws; federal laws of this sort are also forbidden, in Section 9).

But I suppose that some people are utterly oblivious to the Constitution--or refer to it only when it appears to bolster their preferred outcome.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA, This is SO going on my FB page.
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The most disturbing part of this proposal is its suggestion of retroactive application: The US Constitution specifically forbids ex post facto laws (Article 1, Section 10, as concerning state laws; federal laws of this sort are also forbidden, in Section 9).
When I first read about this proposed tax, I also thought about the ex post facto implications, so I looked it up. Ex post facto law refers to the inability to prosecute a person for something they did that wasn't a crime at the time. Since texting isn't a crime, I don't know if the ex post facto law applies here. Although I think charging a retroactive tax for something that wasn't taxed at the time is morally wrong, this is California, where morals don't seem to matter.
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When I first read about this proposed tax, I also thought about the ex post facto implications, so I looked it up. Ex post facto law refers to the inability to prosecute a person for something they did that wasn't a crime at the time. Since texting isn't a crime, I don't know if the ex post facto law applies here. Although I think charging a retroactive tax for something that wasn't taxed at the time is morally wrong, this is California, where morals don't seem to matter.
Clinton wrote a retroactive tax law during his presidency. And got by with it.

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This is a ridiculous idea. This would hurt low-income people with cell phones under the guise of helping low-income people.



You can read more about this asinine proposal here: https://www.lifezette.com/2018/12/a-...MUXDwJoZBaU8H0
People will find a way around it. Just download from a variety of texting services and use your phone's internet. Goes straight to the other person's phone. I use Google Hangouts but there's a bunch of them out there.
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Clinton wrote a retroactive tax law during his presidency. And got by with it.

I thought it was wrong then. I still do now.
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This is a ridiculous idea. This would hurt low-income people with cell phones under the guise of helping low-income people.

You can read more about this asinine proposal here: https://www.lifezette.com/2018/12/a-...MUXDwJoZBaU8H0
As more and more people do away with landlines at home, and even some businesses, think back to when (wasn't it Al Gore?) they added a tax on your phone bill to help low income families get phone service.

This is just an update. Not really a 'new' tax, just replacing what they weren't getting as society moves forward in cell phones. No more for it now, then I was then.
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As more and more people do away with landlines at home, and even some businesses, think back to when (wasn't it Al Gore?) they added a tax on your phone bill to help low income families get phone service.

This is just an update. Not really a 'new' tax, just replacing what they weren't getting as society moves forward in cell phones. No more for it now, then I was then.
was curious and here's what I found:

The Lifeline program originated in 1984, during the administration of Ronald Reagan; it was expanded in 1996, during the administration of Bill Clinton; and its first cellular provider service (SafeLink Wireless) was launched by TracFone in 2008, during the administration of George W. Bush.

The Lifeline program only covers monthly discounts on landline or wireless telephone service for eligible consumers. It does not pay
cellular companies to provide free cell phones to consumers, although some cellular service providers choose to offer that benefit to their Lifeline customers.
...

The Lifeline program is not directly subsidized by taxpayer monies. It is paid for out of the federal Universal Service Fund (USF) through a fee assessed against telecommunications service providers, who may or may not pass those costs along to their customers

for more here, scroll to middle of page
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