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I agree with this. It's frustrating to see our taxes being spent to help a barbaric Islamic country attack another country that has done nothing to us. Saudi Arabia has enough funds to do it on its own.

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The Senate delivered a stunning rebuke to the Trump administration on Wednesday, voting overwhelmingly to advance a measure yanking U.S. support for Saudi-backed forces at war in Yemen.
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The 63-37 vote, in which 14 Republicans joined every Democrat in voting to move forward on the bipartisan Saudi resolution, came hours after Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis failed to sway key undecided senators with an appeal to hold off lest they upset progress of nascent talks on a cease-fire in Yemen.

Pompeo and Mattis briefed all senators in a rare classified briefing ahead of the chamber's vote on a bid to end American support for the Saudis' side in the bloody war in Yemen. The Cabinet members' pitch fell short for Republicans and Democrats alike who want President Donald Trump's administration to take a harder line on Saudi Arabia after the murder of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, which occurred in the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul and was linked to the highest levels of the government in Riyadh.

"I found their briefing today to be lacking. I found that in substance we’re not doing those things that we should be doing to appropriately balance our relationship with Saudi Arabia between our American interests and our American values," Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said in a floor speech before supporting the key procedural vote on the measure.
Wow, I'm shocked that Corker said something I agree with so much! He usually acts like a Deep State lackey.

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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), a usual Trump ally who has repeatedly pressed for a stronger response to the Saudis, predicted after Mattis and Pompeo's briefing that there was a "very good chance" of the chamber advancing the resolution yanking U.S. support for the Yemen war.
Apparently it's not a done deal yet, but I hope our role in Saudi Arabia's war against Yemen will end. It has nothing to do with us and we shouldn't be funding it.
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Remember what happened when we turned our back on Afghanistan after the Soviets withdrew? The Taliban took over creating a safe haven for Bin Laden and Al Queda to launch the 911 attacks. It wasn't our war until it was too late.

That's not to say the war in Yemen will produce another terrorist breeding ground if the US withdraws support. But reflexive isolationism and splendid moral preening could lead to it. It's telling that instead of imposing sanctions on Saudi Arabia or taking some other measure to punish them directly the Senate chose to "rebuke" President Trump. The good Senators dare not risk setting off skyrocketing oil prices so instead they attack President Trump.
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Remember what happened when we turned our back on Afghanistan after the Soviets withdrew? The Taliban took over creating a safe haven for Bin Laden and Al Queda to launch the 911 attacks. It wasn't our war until it was too late.

That's not to say the war in Yemen will produce another terrorist breeding ground if the US withdraws support. But reflexive isolationism and splendid moral preening could lead to it. It's telling that instead of imposing sanctions on Saudi Arabia or taking some other measure to punish them directly the Senate chose to "rebuke" President Trump. The good Senators dare not risk setting off skyrocketing oil prices so instead they attack President Trump.
What are we going to do in Yemen? Make it into a democracy-run country, like we did in Afghanistan and Iraq? If we're going to support any chicken shlt Muslim country against another chicken shlt Muslim country, let's get in there, kill the bad guys, and establish a new republic under the American banner, or just kill all the bad guys, and get the hell out, I say.

What will the snowflakes say? Hmm. I can't see even one flying monkey's ass for me to give about that.
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Remember what happened when we turned our back on Afghanistan after the Soviets withdrew? The Taliban took over creating a safe haven for Bin Laden and Al Queda to launch the 911 attacks. It wasn't our war until it was too late.
Remember that the vast majority of those who carried out the 9/11 attacks were Saudis and that a Saudi princess provided much of the funding? Yet we are still giving them money to attack another country? That is nuts!

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Hijackers by Airplane:

American Airlines Flight 11
Mohamed Atta - Egypt, tactical leader of 9/11 plot and pilot
Abdul Aziz al Omari - Saudi Arabia
Wail al Shehri - Saudi Arabia
Waleed al Shehri - Saudi Arabia
Satam al Suqami - Saudi Arabia

United Airlines Flight 175
Fayez Banihammad - United Arab Emirates
Ahmed al Ghamdi - Saudi Arabia
Hamza al Ghamdi - Saudi Arabia
Marwan al Shehhi - United Arab Emirates, pilot
Mohand al Shehri - Saudi Arabia

American Airlines Flight 77
Hani Hanjour - Saudi Arabia, pilot
Nawaf al Hazmi - Saudi Arabia
Salem al Hazmi - Saudi Arabia
Khalid al Mihdhar - Saudi Arabia
Majed Moqed - Saudi Arabia

United Airlines Flight 93
Saeed al Ghamdi - Saudi Arabia
Ahmad al Haznawi - Saudi Arabia
Ziad Jarrah - Lebanon, pilot
Ahmed al Nami - Saudi Arabia
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Remember that the vast majority of those who carried out the 9/11 attacks were Saudis and that a Saudi princess provided much of the funding? Yet we are still giving them money to attack another country? That is nuts!
Remember the US State department set the requirements for visas to practically nothing for applicants from Saudi Arabia. Should the Saudis have instituted repressive police tactics to eliminate possible terrorists? Do we have a better chance of getting them to stop terrorist funding by their citizens if we maintain a good relationship with them or not?

I note the absence of any attempt to rebut the problem with isolationism as shown by Afghanistan.
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I note the absence of any attempt to rebut the problem with isolationism as shown by Afghanistan.
This thread isn't about isolationism; it is about providing funds to a regime largely responsible for 9/11, in order to promote its war with a country that isn't a problem for us. Ending the funding isn't isolationism; it is common sense.
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I think what AZ means is, we never learn from our mistakes, including
in Afghanistan, so we are doomed to repeat those mistakes.
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Remember that the vast majority of those who carried out the 9/11 attacks were Saudis and that a Saudi princess provided much of the funding? Yet we are still giving them money to attack another country? That is nuts!
I see Bin Laden's strategy worked perfectly...You fell for it hook, line, and sinker....

Bin Laden's Al Qaeda was made up of hundreds (if not thousands) of Muslims from many nations...He CHOSE an "all-Saudi" crew to conduct the terrorist acts of 9/11 so people like you would blame Saudi Arabia, itself...

If he wanted Americans to place some blame on Qatar, he would've selected a crew from Qatar...

If he wanted Americans to place some blame on Yemen, he would've selected a crew from Yemen...

If he wanted Americans to place some blame on Iran, he would've selected a crew from Iran...

..but none of these countries would've achieved his goal of creating a crack in US-Muslim alliances...Using Saudi Arabians would...

Bin Laden screamed bloody murder when Saudi Arabia asked the US to help defend their oil fields when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait...He cursed the idea of US boots on "sacred" Muslim land...In fact, he screamed so much Saudi Arabia threw him out of the country...

...so personally selecting a Saudi Arabian crew for 911 would make it LOOK LIKE the Saudi Arabia had a part in the attack...which they didn't...
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This thread isn't about isolationism; it is about providing funds to a regime largely responsible for 9/11, in order to promote its war with a country that isn't a problem for us. Ending the funding isn't isolationism; it is common sense.
No the thread is about the Senate passing an isolationist resolution contrary to our President's foreign policy. You wrote in support of this isolationist resolution.

There is a case to be made for not meddling in certain situations, like Libya, but this one isn't it.
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No the thread is about the Senate passing an isolationist resolution contrary to our President's foreign policy. You wrote in support of this isolationist resolution.
According to definition, we aren't isolationist. Our military is involved in various countries. Just because we might refuse to continue funding one country's war against another doesn't mean we are isolationist.

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Isolationism: the policy or doctrine of isolating one's country from the affairs of other nations by declining to enter into alliances, foreign economic commitments, international agreements, etc., seeking to devote the entire efforts of one's country to its own advancement and remain at peace by avoiding foreign entanglements and responsibilities.
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