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Old 11-20-2018, 08:03 PM
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Authoritarians First! America when it's convenient.

I do not stand with Saudi Arabia, and I doubt most Americans do.

And sanctioning those 17 people isn't enough.

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President Donald Trump on Tuesday said that the U.S. stands with Saudi Arabia in the wake of the slaying of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

In a lengthy statement — punctuated with eight exclamation points — Trump said that "we may never know all of the facts surrounding" Khashoggi's death, but "our relationship is with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia."

Trump said that U.S. intelligence agencies are still assessing all the information surrounding the killing of Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist and critic of the Saudi royal family, in the kingdom's consulate in Istanbul in October.

The Washington Post reported Friday that the CIA had concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman himself had ordered the assassination of Khashoggi, citing people familiar with the matter.

Trump told reporters Saturday that a "very full report" will be coming by Tuesday on the investigation by the U.S. But in his statement Tuesday, Trump appeared to cast doubt that the U.S. probe of the matter was complete.

"It could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event," Trump said in the statement, though "maybe he did and maybe he didn't!"


In remarks outside the White House before departing for the Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, Trump said the CIA had "nothing definitive" on the crown prince's involvement.

The president's written statement sparked a bipartisan backlash among congressional lawmakers.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said in a statement that Trump's apparent decision not to punish the Saudi crown prince "is offensive to every value the United States holds dear."

Feinstein said she plans to vote against future arms sales and appropriation to Saudi Arabia, and called for sanctions against the crown prince and the removal of the Saudi ambassador to the U.S.

At least five members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee also criticized the decision in Twitter statements.

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Jeff Flake

“Great allies” don’t plot the murder of journalists, Mr. President. “Great allies” don’t lure their own citizens into a trap, then kill them.


Marco Rubio

Our foreign policy must be about promoting our national interests.

It is in our natl interest to defend human rights.

HR violations lead to mass migration, help extremism flourish & often result in new governments hostile towards the U.S. because we supported their oppressors.

Tim Kaine

This is a slap in the face to the American intelligence officers who work daily to protect our country.

And it’s yet another fawning prostration to a foreign authoritarian. It’s only a matter of time until actions like this by the President directly threaten our security.
After initially denying that Khashoggi had been killed in the consulate, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir admitted that the slaying was a "tremendous mistake." He denied that the crown prince had ordered the killing.

Saudi prosecutors on Thursday said that they would seek the death penalty for five people alleged to be involved in the killing, as well as lesser charges for six others.

That same day, the Trump administration announced sanctions on 17 people for their alleged roles in the killing under the Magnitsky Act.

Trump's statement comes two weeks before the Saudi-led OPEC oil cartel meets with Russia and other producers to set global oil policy. The allied exporters are widely expected to cut output following a severe pullback in oil prices.

Trump recently urged Saudi Arabia and OPEC against throttling back production, a move that would boost oil prices.

Trump's statement makes clear that Saudi oil production was a factor in his decision. After the U.S., "Saudi Arabia is the largest oil producing nation in the world," the statement reads. "They have worked closely with us and have been very responsive to my requests to keeping oil prices at reasonable levels – so important for the world."

The president frames his decision as being chiefly interested in the "absolute security and safety of America," highlighting the kingdom's alliance in the "very important fight against Iran" and its role as a partner in "our paramount goal to fully eliminate the threat of terrorism throughout the world!"

"Very simply it is called America First!" the statement reads in closing.

Trump has long singled out Iran as the major threat in the Middle East, and has taken numerous steps to weaken that oil-rich nation since taking office. Trump pulled the U.S. out of the Iran nuclear deal brokered during the Obama administration, and reimposed economic sanctions on Iran in recent months.

In the days after Khashoggi's disappearance had first been reported, a growing chorus of politicians came forward to warn that there would be "hell to pay" if Saudi Arabia had indeed killed Khashoggi. Trump, too, had warned of "very severe" consequences against the kingdom.

In the last White House press briefing on Oct. 29, press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that Trump had met with CIA Director Gina Haspel and that the administration was "weighing different options, and we'll make an announcement about what the decision of that action is."

But in an interview Sunday with Fox News' Chris Wallace, Trump signaled that he was reluctant to harm relations with Saudi Arabia. "You saw we put on very heavy sanctions, massive sanctions on a large group of people from Saudi Arabia. But at the same time, we do have an ally and I want to stick with an ally that in many ways has been very good," Trump said.

The president also said he had declined to hear a purported tape of the journalist's murder "Because it's a suffering tape, it's a terrible tape. I've been fully briefed on it. There's no reason for me to hear it."

Shortly after Trump's statement was released, the State Department announced that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo would address the press following a meeting with the Turkey's foreign minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu.

Pompeo told reporters that he discussed Khashoggi with the Turkish official, and strongly defended Trump's "America First" rationale when asked about the president's statement. Saudi Arabia is "absolutely vital to America's national security," Pompeo said.

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Saudi Arabia can go screw itself.
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Obama stood by Iran, and even made deals with them and sent them pallets filled with millions in cash, all while Iran was busy executing gays...Not even sneakily...

But when it's Obama, it's "different"...
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Obama stood by Iran, and even made deals with them and sent them pallets filled with millions in cash, all while Iran was busy executing gays...Not even sneakily...

But when it's Obama, it's "different"...
To Hell with every Middle Eastern country except Israel. And may Iran turn into a glass parking lot.
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To Hell with every Middle Eastern country except Israel. And may Iran turn into a glass parking lot.
A lot of people said that when they wanted to get rid of the Shah of Iran 40 years ago...And look what happened...
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Here's a breakdown on what Trump said:

Trump makes since in keeping America first and not wanting to give up hundreds of billions of dollars in oil orders and let Russia, China, etc. have 'em. Not going to tell a country that's spending hundreds of billions of dollars and helping us keep oil prices down and not skyrocket to a hundred to hundred and fifty bucks a barrel. Oil prices are in great shape and he's not gonna destroy the world economy by being foolish with Saudi Arabia.



One thing I like 'bout Trump is he thinks outside the box and doesn't make rash decisions.

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Obama stood by Iran, and even made deals with them and sent them pallets filled with millions in cash, all while Iran was busy executing gays...Not even sneakily...

But when it's Obama, it's "different"...
Cutting a nuclear deal with Iran isn’t “standing with them,” not is paying them money owed to them under a valid legal claim.
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Cutting a nuclear deal with Iran isn’t “standing with them,” not is paying them money owed to them under a valid legal claim.
If paying them this money was so legal, why did they go to great lengths to hide it from view?

Iran is a country that is funding terrorists. There is no legal authority that would have been capable of forcing the United States to ship them pallets of money. But Iran didn't need one, they had a friend in the White House.
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If paying them this money was so legal, why did they go to great lengths to hide it from view?

Iran is a country that is funding terrorists. There is no legal authority that would have been capable of forcing the United States to ship them pallets of money. But Iran didn't need one, they had a friend in the White House.
The legal authority is something Ronald Reagan agreed to in 1981 when he endorsed Carter’s deal to end the Iranian hostage crisis. (And, pursuant to the same legal authority, Reagan also agreed to send Iran hundreds of millions of dollars.)
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A lot of people said that when they wanted to get rid of the Shah of Iran 40 years ago...And look what happened...
The Shah was overthrown, but nothing civilized was done after that. It's like a person taking a crap to get rid of a stomach ache. After that, he ingests even worse food.
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