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Old 11-21-2018, 09:28 AM
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I do not stand with Saudi Arabia, and I doubt most Americans do.
I agree. Saudi Arabia is a barbaric Islamic country, and we shouldn't be allied with a country that promotes such terrible human rights abuses of women, gays, and anyone else Muslims don't like.

9/11 was brought to us by Saudis, and that alone should have been enough to sever ties with this backward, medieval country.
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Old 11-21-2018, 09:51 AM
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Obama stood by Iran, and even made deals with them and sent them pallets filled with millions in cash, all while Iran was busy executing gays...Not even sneakily...

But when it's Obama, it's "different"...
Criticizing Obama isn't defending Trump.

Also the nuclear deal did work, and it wasn't standing with them over America as Trump just pulled with the Saudis. I think most people would be rightly argue that an Iran without nuclear weapons would be in our interest, and Israel's.
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The Shah was overthrown, but nothing civilized was done after that. It's like a person taking a crap to get rid of a stomach ache. After that, he ingests even worse food.
This was a very close call, I think: It pits our values against our interests.

As concerning the latter, I am not thinking especially about the oil that we purchase from Saudi Arabia (we really should be energy-independent, I believe); or even our arms sales to the Saudis.

But Saudi Arabia does serve as a very good counterweight to Iran, as the dominant player in the Middle East.

Yet to virtually ignore the murder of Jamal Khasoggia does seem to undermine the moral authority on which this country tends to rely.

On balance, I think that I would have been a bit tougher on the Saudis; but not so tough as to irreparably rupture our relationship with them.

Just my thoughts.
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And Trump is now out there defending our relationship with these sh-theels, by making up numbers about jobs and deals and such.

Donald Trump touts nonexistent $450 billion in Saudi orders and 1 million jobs
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And Trump is now out there defending our relationship with these sh-theels, by making up numbers about jobs and deals and such.

Donald Trump touts nonexistent $450 billion in Saudi orders and 1 million jobs
Unfortunately, none of this addresses the fact that I find most important (by far!); and that is the fact that Saudi Arabia acts as a counterweight to Iran.

This looks like just more (rather promiscuous) Trump bashing...
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I wrote about this last month...

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Here's the problem...

The Shah of Iran was a murderous d*ck...He didn't deserve to head the country...He should've been in jail for years...

BUT!!!!...

...look at what happened when he left...On a scale of 1 to 10, the Shah, which was a minus-50, was replaced with an Islamic State, which was(and still is) a minus-4200...

That's what we're (likely) looking at here...

Saudi Arabia is a bunch of 15th-century-attitude zealots that befriend the West intermittently...

...and if the ALTERNATIVE is telling them to go f*ck their camels and turn our backs on them, we can very well turn it into a 7th-century-attitude of West-hating mega-zealots bent on destruction and world war...(with more money in their attic than ISIS has had in the last 5 years)...

It's same reason, 35 years ago, that we backed murderous Latin American lords that like the US over murderous Latin American lords that hate the US...

Doing the "correct" thing can be different from doing the "prudent" thing...


Look at the big, big, big picture...China kills journalists, bloggers, dissidents and people that look at the government the wrong way, on a weekly basis, and no one lifts a finger or bats an eye...

In fact, every time Trump hits them economically, everyone runs to their keyboards to holler at him...

We...deal...with...some...top...tier...a$$holes... .Always have...Always will...

...and we will CONTINUE to deal with some top tier a$$holes when it's in OUR country's best interest over a "benevolent leader" of a foreign land when it's NOT...
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Authoritarians First! America when it's convenient.

I do not stand with Saudi Arabia, and I doubt most Americans do.

And sanctioning those 17 people isn't enough.
Oh for ****s sake! Saudi Arabia kills people for atheism, homosexuality, adultery,blasphemy and other things that would not be a crime in most countries. But we are supposed to care now because they killed a journalist? As far as I know you and the rest of the left never gave two ****s what innocent people Saudi Arabia kills. Other than the fact you loath Trump what reason do you care now that Saudi Arabia killed an innocent person despite not giving a **** before? Are journalists some sort of saints, royalty or elite that shouldn't be killed but its okay if the common man is killed?
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I see libs and the MSM are pretending we don't do any big business with Saudi.

As much as I hate Saudi, it's best not to jeopardize billions of dollars and risk oil prices.

But I already predicted libs and the media would try and pretend there's no consequences to us doin' somethin' harsh to Saudi.

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Trump Thanks Saudi Arabia For Low Gas Prices After Jamal Khashoggi’s Killing

whoops:
WILL GAS PRICES GO UP? SAUDI ARABIA TO CUT OIL PRODUCTION DESPITE DONALD TRUMP'S WARNINGS
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