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Honestly not sure how I feel 'bout this. I can see both sides.

I think maybe the parents should have the final decision, but the question becomes who is gonna pay for this girl to be on life support. And what if it's shown that she'll never recover? Is someone gonna fork out the dough for decades? But then again it seems wrong a judge can decide whether your kid lives or dies.

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Texas judge denies family’s request to keep 9-year-old daughter on life support

A Texas judge has denied a family’s request to extend a temporary restraining order keeping their 9-year-old-daughter on life support.

Following an hours long hearing on Wednesday in Tarrant County’s 17th District Court in Fort Worth, Judge Melody Wilkinson ruled that Payton Summons’ parents did not meet the burden of proof for an injunction, according to the family’s lawyer, CNN reported.

The family was granted a 14-day temporary restraining order on Oct. 1 to prevent the hospital from removing the girl’s life support. That order is set to expire on Monday.

What happened to the girl?

On Sept. 25, Payton suffered cardiac arrest and was placed on a ventilator at Cook Children’s Hospital in Fort Worth.

Following the tests, doctors began the process of removing her from life support after tests showed the girl had no brain activity.

In the state of Texas, a person is considered brain dead “there is irreversible cessation of the person’s spontaneous respiratory and circulatory functions.”

A large cancerous tumor found behind Payton’s heart is believed to be the cause of her cardiac arrest.

What happened at the hearing?

The girl’s parents testified that they believe the girl could recover, KXAS-TV reported.

Payton’s attending physician told the court that she meets the legal requirements of brain death, although she has not yet been declared brain dead because of the temporary restraining order.

“I am a mother of three,” Wilkinson told Payton’s mom and dad, according to KXAS. “I know what it’s like to do anything you can for your child, but the prosecution has not met their burden of proof.”

What else?

The hospital reached out to more than two dozen facilities to take over Payton’s care but none would accept her because of her condition, according to reports.

Following the hearing, the family’s lawyer told reporters that the family has not yet decided whether or not they would file a new restraining order, according to CNN.

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Terribly sad situation. I could not imagine what the parent's are going through.

As to the topic at hand, I can see both sides of this argument. It would most likely be preferable to transition her to a long term, care facility, but it seems that none will accept her in her current condition. The hospital should not be required to maintain bed space and resources for a person that has not hope of recovery. But at the same time, the parents should be able to pursue any hope still left.

But the question still remains, who pays the bill in this situation? This is a tough one.
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If it's a matter of money, I smell greed by the medical profession, and every doctor involved can wipe his ass with the Hippocratic Oath. If it's a matter of her actually having no brain activity, I suggest they see what happens after she is taken off life support.

If there are any defenses to the medical profession's money situation, please ask somebody else. I still remember I was charged 10 dollars for one baby aspirin for my son some years back. That was in addition to his treatment for a high fever.
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But the question still remains, who pays the bill in this situation? This is a tough one.
I'm not sure it's a question of money, it's probably more of an ethical question. As a thought experiment, lets say that she is 100% completely dead. Heart stopped and everything. Family says, no you need to continue to treat her. We will give you 1 BILLLION dollars. No ethical doctor is going to do that. It sounds like in the hospitals opinion... she's dead. No brain activity. Her body is still alive, but she isn't there anymore and it would be unethical to continue to treat her.

I completely support the families right to do everything they can for their daughter. If they can find another facility willing to take her, then absolutely they should have the ability to take her to that facility. Whether in this country or another.

However, I do not believe that if the experts agree that she is brain dead and there is nothing that can be done, that anyone should be REQUIRED to treat her. So while the parents should not be blocked from seeking treatment, neither should the doctors be forced to treat.

This is what I view as the primary difference between this case and Alfie Evans. Alfie had a facility willing to take him and treat him and they were blocked.
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Honestly not sure how I feel 'bout this. I can see both sides.

I think maybe the parents should have the final decision, but the question becomes who is gonna pay for this girl to be on life support. And what if it's shown that she'll never recover? Is someone gonna fork out the dough for decades? But then again it seems wrong a judge can decide whether your kid lives or dies.

Interesting debate. Interested in what you peeps think.

Texas judge denies family’s request to keep 9-year-old daughter on life support

A Texas judge has denied a family’s request to extend a temporary restraining order keeping their 9-year-old-daughter on life support.

Following an hours long hearing on Wednesday in Tarrant County’s 17th District Court in Fort Worth, Judge Melody Wilkinson ruled that Payton Summons’ parents did not meet the burden of proof for an injunction, according to the family’s lawyer, CNN reported.

The family was granted a 14-day temporary restraining order on Oct. 1 to prevent the hospital from removing the girl’s life support. That order is set to expire on Monday.

What happened to the girl?

On Sept. 25, Payton suffered cardiac arrest and was placed on a ventilator at Cook Children’s Hospital in Fort Worth.

Following the tests, doctors began the process of removing her from life support after tests showed the girl had no brain activity.

In the state of Texas, a person is considered brain dead “there is irreversible cessation of the person’s spontaneous respiratory and circulatory functions.”

A large cancerous tumor found behind Payton’s heart is believed to be the cause of her cardiac arrest.

What happened at the hearing?

The girl’s parents testified that they believe the girl could recover, KXAS-TV reported.

Payton’s attending physician told the court that she meets the legal requirements of brain death, although she has not yet been declared brain dead because of the temporary restraining order.

“I am a mother of three,” Wilkinson told Payton’s mom and dad, according to KXAS. “I know what it’s like to do anything you can for your child, but the prosecution has not met their burden of proof.”

What else?

The hospital reached out to more than two dozen facilities to take over Payton’s care but none would accept her because of her condition, according to reports.

Following the hearing, the family’s lawyer told reporters that the family has not yet decided whether or not they would file a new restraining order, according to CNN.

When single payer becomes a reality, remember this story. For-profits make these decisions all the time. sometimes favoring one or the other extreme.
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When single payer becomes a reality, remember this story. For-profits make these decisions all the time. sometimes favoring one or the other extreme.
Did you forget about the British healthcare authorities denying care to an infant they judged to have no chance of survival even when the parents had the money to pay for the care and a US doctor willing to provide care? That's the heartless bureaucrats of single payer socialized medical systems.
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Did you forget about the British healthcare authorities denying care to an infant they judged to have no chance of survival even when the parents had the money to pay for the care and a US doctor willing to provide care? That's the heartless bureaucrats of single payer socialized medical systems.
That is exactly what I mean; it goes on now in the private sector. Yet people blame it on government healthcare. See? They already tell that lie about the British system. It goes on in an American state that has not expanded Medicaid. So private companies decide these things too. They are very difficult decisions. no bumper sticker fixes
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Following the tests, doctors began the process of removing her from life support after tests showed the girl had no brain activity.
She immediately became the 2020 Democrat presidential frontrunner...

Seriously though...

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The hospital reached out to more than two dozen facilities to take over Payton’s care but none would accept her because of her condition
I'd like to know WHICH "facilities" the hospital "reached out to"...I wouldn't be surprised if they chose "facilities" they knew would decline to just get this over with...

And why not put out a public call to see if anyone responds?...I have a feeling there are going to be "facilities", in the next few days, that say "We would've accepted her if we had known."...

And there aren't any hospitals, colleges, hospices, etc. that specialize in this?...Where their only patients are brain dead so they can study/experiment new medicines/techniques?...This SHOULD happen...
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She immediately became the 2020 Democrat presidential frontrunner...

Seriously though...

I'd like to know WHICH "facilities" the hospital "reached out to"...I wouldn't be surprised if they chose "facilities" they knew would decline to just get this over with...

And why not put out a public call to see if anyone responds?...I have a feeling there are going to be "facilities", in the next few days, that say "We would've accepted her if we had known."...

And there aren't any hospitals, colleges, hospices, etc. that specialize in this?...Where their only patients are brain dead so they can study/experiment new medicines/techniques?...This SHOULD happen...
this is a financial issue as well as a moral one. nursing homes or long-term care would have been contacted. hospitals don't keep these types f patients anymore even if they do have brain activity.
and hospitals and long-term care facilities aren't in the habit of accepting zombies or the issues associated with caring for them.
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