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I guess no one should be shocked seein' this is comin' from the party that thinks Christopher Columbus was just appointed to the Supreme Court.

I feel bad for the kids that have no say in the matter.

NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio signs bill adding gender ‘X’ option on birth certificates

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio signed a bill that will allow the city’s residents to change their birth certificates to reflect their preferred gender or choose a third nonbinary option of “X.”

“The LGBTQ rights movement was born in NYC. Today, we’re making history again in the fight for dignity and respect,” de Blasio tweeted on Tuesday.

The LGBTQ rights movement was born in NYC. Today, we're making history again in the fight for dignity and respect. https://t.co/TZikDlwGxa

— Mayor Bill de Blasio (@NYCMayor) October 9, 2018

“New Yorkers should be free to tell their government who they are, not the other way around,” de Blasio said, WLNY-TV reported. “This new legislation will empower all New Yorkers – especially our transgender and gender nonbinary residents – to have birth certificates that better reflect their identity, and it furthers the City’s commitment to defending the rights of our LGBTQ community.”


Under the new law, New Yorkers would also no longer be required to provide documentation from a doctor or health care provider to order to change their birth certificate.

“You don’t need a doctor to tell you who you are, and you shouldn’t need a doctor to change your birth certificate to reflect your true self,” Council Speaker Corey Johnson said after the bill was passed, according to the New York Daily News. “Some people don’t want to check off male or female, and this is going to give them that third option.”

The law is expected to make it easier for people to obtain various forms of identification that reflect their gender identity. Previously, the gender on a person’s driver license or other official ID was determined by the gender listed on their birth certificate, which in some cases, didn’t match the person’s chosen identity.

“Today is a landmark day for our city,” Johnson said after the bill was signed, WLNY reported. “New York is sending a clear message to people who are transgender, gender non-conforming and nonbinary that we are here for you. This law will help those friends, neighbors, and colleagues better self-identify on their birth certificates, a document that’s so important in everyday life.”

Johnson introduced the measure in June. It was passed by the New York City Council last month.

Does the law apply to children?

The law will permit children 18 and younger to change the gender identity on their birth certificates with parental consent.

Parents already have the option to choose undetermined on their children’s birth certificates, according to the Daily News. The undetermined option shows up as a series of asterisks on the document.

When does the law go into effect?

The law will go into effect on Jan. 1.

Before 2014, New Yorkers who wanted to change their gender identity on birth certificates were required to have had gender reassignment surgery.

What else?

The states of New Jersey, Oregon, California, and Washington also have nonbinary gender options for individuals who don’t identify as a man or woman, according to the Intersex and Genderqueer Recognition Project, which tracks such legislative changes.

Maine, Oregon, and Washington, D.C., also allow persons to choose nonbinary options on their driver’s license. Californians will have that option beginning in January.

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12 to 15 years from now there's gonna be some kids thinking, "Really, my parents couldn't look between my legs and figure out my sex after I was born?" Good possibility that their parents will have pictures and videos of the pre-birth gender reveal party.
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This is just yet another attack on the institutions of morality that progressives want to destroy. They will not be happy until every sense of morality and reason are removed from our society.

One of these days, people are going to wake up and see what is going on with crap like this. It will not be a good day for the progressives when that happens.
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Since that notation on a birth certificate is changeable, once an adult, people can have it changed to whatever they want.

I don't see this as a big thing, similar to same sex marriage. It does nothing to those who wish to maintain the M/F status.

As to the 'undermining' of a society, there is already a lot stuff going on that people believe has undermined society, that actually has no legal impact on those of society who do not wish to participate. If and when it becomes a legal matter, then is the time to address it.
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Since that notation on a birth certificate is changeable, once an adult, people can have it changed to whatever they want.

I don't see this as a big thing, similar to same sex marriage. It does nothing to those who wish to maintain the M/F status.

As to the 'undermining' of a society, there is already a lot stuff going on that people believe has undermined society, that actually has no legal impact on those of society who do not wish to participate. If and when it becomes a legal matter, then is the time to address it.
But a birth certificate should NOT be changeable. It is a legal record of the birth of a child. Therefore, it SHOULD be an accurate account of the characteristics of the child at the time of their birth, not simply a meaningless announcement that something happened.

The issue is that progressives are actively looking to undermine our society by not simply ignoring moral standards, but actively encouraging government to participate in it's destruction. While I don't believe that government should legislate morality, to go in the complete opposite direction is also wrong and undermines those of us that wish to live a moral existence.

Take for example the Gay Marriage issue. If it was contained to just those that wanted to participate in it, that is something that I could live with. I would not condone it, but I am a live and let live kind of person. However, the left isn't OK with that, they demand what we actively endorse it. And if you are unwilling, they will leverage the government to make your life miserable; hence the issue of the baker refusing to make a wedding cake for a gay wedding.

It is the incremental changes that are taking place that we are told to ignore. It's just a couple of people that love each other, it doesn't affect you. But as we have seen, that is rarely the case.
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Since that notation on a birth certificate is changeable, once an adult, people can have it changed to whatever they want.

I don't see this as a big thing, similar to same sex marriage. It does nothing to those who wish to maintain the M/F status.

As to the 'undermining' of a society, there is already a lot stuff going on that people believe has undermined society, that actually has no legal impact on those of society who do not wish to participate. If and when it becomes a legal matter, then is the time to address it.
So it's like a "never mind" to what the queer ones impose upon the law books, eh?
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Since that notation on a birth certificate is changeable, once an adult, people can have it changed to whatever they want.

I don't see this as a big thing, similar to same sex marriage. It does nothing to those who wish to maintain the M/F status.

As to the 'undermining' of a society, there is already a lot stuff going on that people believe has undermined society, that actually has no legal impact on those of society who do not wish to participate. If and when it becomes a legal matter, then is the time to address it.
Like same sex marriage, transgender has a lot of impact on people who do not wish to participate. The vast majority of biological males want to keep their penis taking it with them to locker rooms and rest rooms as well as the bedroom and athletic fields. Given free rein they will wipe out women's sports. Then there are scholarships and set asides for woman owned businesses, they will become meaningless when applicants can choose gender.

Transgender biological females are allowed to compete with vastly higher artificially induced testosterone levels than even biological males. Again the use of locker rooms and rest rooms is a problem.

There are good and sound reasons to have the birth certificate accurately reflect the biological sex of the individual. Society doesn't tell you who you are, nature does.
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This discussion begs the question; If gender is not important, what else on a birth certificate is subject to change?

How about the date of birth? Therefore people could alter their birth certificate to drive, drink or enter the military at an earlier age. After all, it does not affect others, so why should we care?

How about the birth parents? If so, I am running to the courthouse to name Bill Gates as my dad.
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So it's like a "never mind" to what the queer ones impose upon the law books, eh?
They didn't force any change upon you, you can still declare your gender as m/f.
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This discussion begs the question; If gender is not important, what else on a birth certificate is subject to change?

How about the date of birth? Therefore people could alter their birth certificate to drive, drink or enter the military at an earlier age. After all, it does not affect others, so why should we care?

How about the birth parents? If so, I am running to the courthouse to name Bill Gates as my dad.
Actually, I believe a BC can be amended to change the name of the father. You may have to stand in line to get to use Bill Gates name though.
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