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PayPal is cutting off Alex Jones and says it will no longer do business with InfoWars because it promotes 'hate and discriminatory intolerance'
... PayPal said on Friday it will end its business relationship with InfoWars, the conspiracy spreading website.
The company said an extensive investigation had determined that InfoWars has promoted hate and discriminatory intolerance against certain communities and religions.
PayPal announced on Friday that it will stop providing business services to InfoWars, the website created by Alex Jones that promotes conspiracy theories.
The payment processing company said it determined that InfoWars "promoted hate and discriminatory intolerance against certain communities and religions."
Paypal's decision comes in the wake of other platforms removing or banning Jones from their services, including Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, Apple, and Spotify. But the decision by PayPal could hit InfoWars where it hurts: The company processes all payments for the website, which generates revenue through the sale of nutritional supplements, according to the New York Times.
PayPal admitted the decision will be "controversial." Jones' removal from other web services has resulted in charges by some right-leaning figures of free speech suppression and bias among tech companies. Regardless, PayPal said it's "working constantly to ensure that PayPal is not used by anyone as a platform for perpetuating hate and discriminatory intolerance." ...
https://www.businessinsider.com/payp...nfowars-2018-9

does anyone else here think that someone in some company or the gov't might think that they or their favorite "news" group promotes 'hate and discriminatory intolerance' and might ban them from major web outlets and cut off their main internet money transfer source?

Does it feel a little more Orwellian at this point to anyone else but me? Not agreeing with the mainstream "party" and you get shut down.

They came after Alex Jones and i said nothing....
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So PayPal is being intolerant and discriminatory.
That seems kind of hateful.
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PayPal is cutting off Alex Jones and says it will no longer do business with InfoWars because it promotes 'hate and discriminatory intolerance'
... PayPal said on Friday it will end its business relationship with InfoWars, the conspiracy spreading website.
The company said an extensive investigation had determined that InfoWars has promoted hate and discriminatory intolerance against certain communities and religions.
PayPal announced on Friday that it will stop providing business services to InfoWars, the website created by Alex Jones that promotes conspiracy theories.
The payment processing company said it determined that InfoWars "promoted hate and discriminatory intolerance against certain communities and religions."
Paypal's decision comes in the wake of other platforms removing or banning Jones from their services, including Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, Apple, and Spotify. But the decision by PayPal could hit InfoWars where it hurts: The company processes all payments for the website, which generates revenue through the sale of nutritional supplements, according to the New York Times.
PayPal admitted the decision will be "controversial." Jones' removal from other web services has resulted in charges by some right-leaning figures of free speech suppression and bias among tech companies. Regardless, PayPal said it's "working constantly to ensure that PayPal is not used by anyone as a platform for perpetuating hate and discriminatory intolerance." ...
https://www.businessinsider.com/payp...nfowars-2018-9

does anyone else here think that someone in some company or the gov't might think that they or their favorite "news" group promotes 'hate and discriminatory intolerance' and might ban them from major web outlets and cut off their main internet money transfer source?

Does it feel a little more Orwellian at this point to anyone else but me? Not agreeing with the mainstream "party" and you get shut down.

They came after Alex Jones and i said nothing....
At this point in time censorship by private entities worries me more than censorship by government. On the one hand business should be able to do or not do business with whoever they choose. On the other hand credit companies should not have the right to cut off free speech, or gun sales for that matter. What's bad for me is I don't have a solution.
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this situation... among others... makes a clear point about the power of corporation. many people on the right like to give them near complete benny of the doubt.

But practical monopolies, corporate collusion and corporate unlimited funding of politicians make corporations the real defacto ruling powers, not gov'ts..

I'm all for business and capitalism but big corporations are a real danger to freedom. have been for sometime.
When a company ...or group of companies... can decide that some people will not be able use their services because they don't like their "thoughts". And it means they can't run their biz or life at the basic living standards of their neighbors then they are to big in my opinion.

If the major internet companies,
and/or the major banks,
and/or the major oil companies,
and/or major drug companies
and/or the major food companies
don't like you and decide they won't service your biz or you personally.
what can you really do about?

The chairman of Nestle thinks WATER should be privatized and it's not a right.

BIG companies and BIG Gov't are both real dangers to freedoms.
Keeping them all small to medium size and preferably local with competition is part of the solution IMO.
Big Corporations have been getting away with murder (sometimes literally) for quite some time in various ways.
the solutions aren't pretty. Short answer is, it means that ideal of totally "free markets" might have to be LIMITED. If the alternative means that singular or group corporate control over what has practically become like a universal public service and the general standard of living.

Limited Gov't and limited private dominance of a market sector seem to go hand in hand IMO.
Is that a perfect solution? Nope, but IMO it's part of the solution. And frankly there are no perfect solutions.
But it's better than a tyranny of one gov't or one corp having near total control over what we can and cannot do in various areas.
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On the action level with Jones and the other potential victims right now.
Consider this, people have boycotted Nike over being offended at what they THINK Cappernic is doing. He's protesting racism and police brutality and their unaccountably. But folks act like that he's really and ONLY doing disrespecting AMERICAAAA and da military.
With Chic-fil-a some of the left have boycotted them for daring to support the crazy, wicked notion that ONLY men and women should be married. how dare Chic-fil-a think such a thing?

right or wrong, on political issues some have responded with using alternative sources.
there ARE alternatives to facebook and Paypal etc. Yes they are smaller or SMALL but they are available. But people have to be aware and concerned enough to make the change. "VOTING" with our dollars is a start and makes corporations aware of where they really stand. facebook and paypal are not inevitable. where's myspace today and wasn't yahoo going to take over at one point?
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On the action level with Jones and the other potential victims right now.
Consider this, people have boycotted Nike over being offended at what they THINK Cappernic is doing. He's protesting racism and police brutality and their unaccountably. But folks act like that he's really and ONLY doing disrespecting AMERICAAAA and da military.
With Chic-fil-a some of the left have boycotted them for daring to support the crazy, wicked notion that ONLY men and women should be married. how dare they?

right or wrong, on political issues some have responded with using alternative sources.
there ARE alternatives to facebook and Paypal, yes they are smaller or SMALL but they are available. But people have to be aware and concerned enough to make the change. "VOTING" with our dollars is a start and makes corporations aware of where they really stand. facebook and paypal are not inevitable. where's myspace today and wasn't yahoo going to take over at one point?
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Colin Kaepernick is protesting his PERCEIVED racism and police brutality. He is not protesting anything that is proven.
P.S. I'm assuming you meant Colin Kaepernick when you wrote Cappernic.
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While I hesitate to use the term because its namesake has been unfairly criticized as an enemy of freedom, these corporations are practicing latter day Mccarthyism. Opponents to McCarthy's reasonable calls to investigate Communist infiltration of the state department attacked anyone who disagreed with them as close minded bigots just as critics of the campaign against Info wars are slandered with the claim they support hate. You see, principles and rights only apply if the cabal of Democrat politicians and media dispense their approval.

The antidote to the new Mccarthyism is the same as what undid the classic version, public shaming of the censorship they are practicing. After we have seen the rabidly partisan corruption of the IRS, FBI, DOJ and CIA turn them into KGB style political weapons the last thing we ought to do is upscale their authority.
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Colin Kaepernick is protesting his PERCEIVED racism and police brutality. He is not protesting anything that is proven.
P.S. I'm assuming you meant Colin Kaepernick when you wrote Cappernic.
not to derail the thread but... seems clear to me that there's far more evidence for racism and police brutality in America than for the idea that Colin Kaepernick and the many others are intending to disrespect the flag, the military and America generally. how that idea got PERCEIVED i still don't get.
(Unless of course a certain amount of racism and selective police brutality and unaccountably is simply to be consider to be normal/acceptable, part and parcel of America? Or people just are unaware or prefer to ignore it. just sayin')
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While I hesitate to use the term because its namesake has been unfairly criticized as an enemy of freedom, these corporations are practicing latter day Mccarthyism. Opponents to McCarthy's reasonable calls to investigate Communist infiltration of the state department attacked anyone who disagreed with them as close minded bigots just as critics of the campaign against Info wars are slandered with the claim they support hate. You see, principles and rights only apply if the cabal of Democrat politicians and media dispense their approval.

The antidote to the new Mccarthyism is the same as what undid the classic version, public shaming of the censorship they are practicing. After we have seen the rabidly partisan corruption of the IRS, FBI, DOJ and CIA turn them into KGB style political weapons the last thing we ought to do is upscale their authority.

"The antidote to the new Mccarthyism is the same as what undid the classic version, public shaming of the censorship they are practicing."


agreed

"After we have seen the rabidly partisan corruption of the IRS, FBI, DOJ and CIA turn them into KGB style political weapons the last thing we ought to do is upscale their authority."
I agree here as well. Limit their power in many areas. But allow the authority to limit Corp size and reach into any particular market sector.
limits on gov't and Corps..
IRS, NSA, DOJ State Dept etc etc simply need the constitutional limits and real over site and real transparency. and a lot of their issues would disappear.
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not to derail the thread but... seems clear to me that there's far more evidence for racism and police brutality in America than for the idea that Colin Kaepernick and the many others are intending to disrespect the flag, the military and America generally. how that idea got PERCEIVED i still don't get.
(Unless of course a certain amount of racism and selective police brutality and unaccountably is simply to be consider to be normal/acceptable, part and parcel of America? Or people just are unaware or prefer to ignore it. just sayin')
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What exactly would satisfy the kneeling NFL protesters to the point that they would stop kneeling? They've never actually told anybody what would bring an end to their kneeling. But then, their wimpy supportive press never had the testicular fortitude to ask that question.
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