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Old 09-20-2018, 01:18 AM
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All of the Democrats and Media (redundancy alert) who say that the plan is to force the accuser to testify publicly is a stone...cold...liar...

Grassley sets Friday deadline for Trump top court pick Kavanaugh's accuser

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A woman who has accused Brett Kavanaugh, President Donald Trumpís U.S. Supreme Court nominee, of sexually assaulting her decades ago has until Friday morning to provide prepared testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee, the panelís chairman said on Wednesday.

The committee has invited Ford and Kavanaugh to testify on Monday about the allegation. Republican Senator Chuck Grassley, in a letter to the lawyers for university professor Christine Blasey Ford, also said the committee would be willing to hold the hearing behind closed doors rather than in a public session, adding that he was disturbed to hear that Ford has been subjected to personal threats.

Kavanaugh has denied the assault allegation.
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All of the Democrats and Media (redundancy alert) who say that the plan is to force the accuser to testify publicly is a stone...cold...liar...

Grassley sets Friday deadline for Trump top court pick Kavanaugh's accuser
I'm sure we will have another excuse next week requiring another delay.
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I'm sure we will have another excuse next week requiring another delay.
And right on cue, they have come up with them.

Now Ford is willing to testify, but with a few conditions.
  1. Kavanaugh has to go first - This is completely ridiculous. She is going to level charges in her testimony that he would not have a opportunity to respond to.
  2. Kavanaugh cannot be in the room during her testimony - Another ridiculous request as he has the right to here what he is being accused of.
  3. Ford wants to subpoena addition witnesses - Why is this necessary? She would be given the opportunity to tell her story. Does she need other people to tell it for her?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/20/polit...ony/index.html

All in all, this is nothing but additional stall tactics. Grassley and the Republicans need to give her a chance to testify and then allow Kavanaugh to respond to any allegations made, period. If she wants to play games, tell her thanks but no thanks and proceed with the vote. To play along with these requests is to stall the process which is the intention of this accusation in the first place.
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And right on cue, they have come up with them.

Now Ford is willing to testify, but with a few conditions.
  1. Kavanaugh has to go first - This is completely ridiculous. She is going to level charges in her testimony that he would not have a opportunity to respond to.
  2. Kavanaugh cannot be in the room during her testimony - Another ridiculous request as he has the right to here what he is being accused of.
  3. Ford wants to subpoena addition witnesses - Why is this necessary? She would be given the opportunity to tell her story. Does she need other people to tell it for her?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/20/polit...ony/index.html

All in all, this is nothing but additional stall tactics. Grassley and the Republicans need to give her a chance to testify and then allow Kavanaugh to respond to any allegations made, period. If she wants to play games, tell her thanks but no thanks and proceed with the vote. To play along with these requests is to stall the process which is the intention of this accusation in the first place.
In effect the lawyers for the accuser insist she be allowed to take over the hearing dictating the order of witnesses, who may ask questions, who may be present in the hearing room, when hearings may take place and grant subpoena power to the witness. All of this based on an uncorroborated, ridiculously hazy recollection birthed in psychotherapy.

Of course Judge Kavanaugh would never ever be granted authority the accuser wants despite his obvious expertise . He has already been convicted, he is after all a testosterone poisoned man.
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Get Kavanaugh confirmed. Then after that, the idiot can start with her claims bullshlt against him. Those weenie Republicans caving in to the Democrats need a severe peepee whacking for their continuing of this circus.
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All of the Democrats and Media (redundancy alert) who say that the plan is to force the accuser to testify publicly is a stone...cold...liar...

Grassley sets Friday deadline for Trump top court pick Kavanaugh's accuser
How strange because I've not heard Democrats or the media claim that "Republican" plan is to force Christine Blasey Ford to testify publicly.

What Democrats and the media are pointing out is that Senator Grassley isn't interested in an in depth review of the allegations, isn't interested in applying precedent in determining the facts of the case, isn't interested in the much higher standards that must be applied in the case of a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land, and ignores the fact that there's no driving timeline requirement for confirmation.

Instead Grassley has made proposals such as:

Let his staff privately investigate the matter and then confirm Kavanaugh.

Hold a fundamentally worthless "he-said-she-said" hearing without an investigation, without other witnesses or evidence being allowed that would be uncovered by an investigation, and then apply the criteria of a criminal prosecution that isn't applicable so that Republicans can then confirm Kavanaugh.

All Senator Grassley has been proposing are different ways of sweeping the matter under the rug while giving a false impression that some sort of legitimate process took place when, in fact, it's all about confirming Kavanaugh regardless of whether Kavanaugh attempted to rape Christine Blasey Ford when he was drunk as a teenage and is now committing perjury by denying about it. Dr. Ford's allegations are detailed and provide credibility to her case while a denial provides no details (you can't provide details on something you deny happening) and is self-serving without any foundation for creditability.

For the GOP there's really a more important fact just recently came to light. While all of the states I was aware of have a statute of limitations on rape and attempted rape charges there isn't a statute of limitations in Maryland related to rape and attempted rape . Kavanaugh can and would be criminal investigated by Montgomery Maryland law enforcement, where the alleged criminal act took place, based upon Christine Blasey Ford's allegations of attempted rape if she chooses to file a criminal complaint against him. If the investigation results in enough evidence to file charges then Kavanaugh would be indicted and prosecuted for the attempted rape of Christine Blasey Ford as a teenager and could possibly be convicted. Who in their right mind would put someone on the Supreme Court knowing in advance that a possible criminal prosecution, indictment, and even conviction are possible based upon what is know today? Pick someone else.

Ultimately to me the most important issue in this whole case is that the standard of conduct for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court of the United States must meet the highest possible standard where even an unresolved suspicion of criminal conduct would prevent confirmation. Donald Trump and Republicans have other ultra-right conservative justices that don't have a controversial background and aren't potentially facing a criminal investigation even before they're confirmed to the bench. So why not dump Kavanaugh and pick someone that's acceptable? Kavanaugh was a flawed pick to begin with even without the very creditable allegations by Dr. Ford. Dump Kavanaugh and pick someone else.
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Get Kavanaugh confirmed. Then after that, the idiot can start with her claims bullshlt against him. Those weenie Republicans caving in to the Democrats need a severe peepee whacking for their continuing of this circus.
Move Kavanaugh's confirmation process out of committee and have Dr. Ford file a criminal complaint in Montgomery County, Maryland where the alleged attempted rape took place (where there's no statute of limitations) so that Kavanaugh will be under an active criminal investigation when it comes time for a vote by the whole Senate.

How many GOP Senators are willing to vote to confirm a nominee to the US Supreme Court that's under an active criminal investigation for attempted rape? I'd like to see a show of hands by GOP members of the Senate that would confirm someone when they know in advance that person could possibly, even if that possibility is remote, end up in prison.

Of course Trump doesn't apparently care if we look at how many of his associates are already convicted felons or have been removed from their appointments for corruption just since he took office and how many more are facing possible indictments.
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Move Kavanaugh's confirmation process out of committee and have Dr. Ford file a criminal complaint in Montgomery County, Maryland where the alleged attempted rape took place (where there's no statute of limitations) so that Kavanaugh will be under an active criminal investigation when it comes time for a vote by the whole Senate.

How many GOP Senators are willing to vote to confirm a nominee to the US Supreme Court that's under an active criminal investigation for attempted rape? I'd like to see a show of hands by GOP members of the Senate that would confirm someone when they know in advance that person could possibly, even if that possibility is remote, end up in prison.

Of course Trump doesn't apparently care if we look at how many of his associates are already convicted felons or have been removed from their appointments for corruption just since he took office and how many more are facing possible indictments.
The accuser has yet to provide anything approaching a credible accusation. She is unsure of any of the basic information surrounding her allegations. The so-called memory was conjured up some 30 years after the alleged event with the prompting of a therapist. She has given no indication she would file a state complaint. It's easy to see why, investigators would want to know the basic facts of the incident, she can't give them.

Of course Kavanaugh is assumed guilty by the mere accusation according to Trump hating Resistance zealots.

Nominally Mueller set out to investigate potential collision with Russians by Trump allies. His crack team of Resistance witch hunters has produced indictments, convictions and coerced guilty pleas for charges scrapped up from minor inconsistencies in talks with the FBI and decade old tax issues usually punished with a fine. Nothing showing collusion with Russia. But who cares, Trump associates are all criminals they just need to be charged with the proper crime.
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When are the liberals going to quit embarrassing themselves with these baseless, made up allegations? You would think that after getting burnt a number of times, they would find something else to keep them busy. But with an ever complicit media unwilling to follow through when these political stunts go wrong, there is no widespread shame cast upon the bumbling morons willing to same the most insane things in an attempt to over turn the last election.
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Senator Grassley... ignores the fact that there's no driving timeline requirement for confirmation.
Of course there is.

For one thing, it would be very good if the SCOTUS were to have nine members--an (appropriately) odd number, so as to avoid tie votes--before the Court convenes in early October.

Moreover--and perhaps even more importantly--red-state Democrats should not be given a pass, by delaying the vote until after the November elections. (They should be forced to choose between angering their constituents and angering Chuck Schumer.)

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[Senator Grassley proposes to h]old a fundamentally worthless "he-said-she-said" hearing without an investigation...
It is, in fact, a "he-said-she-said" situation--although the weight of the evidence actually favors Judge Kavanaugh.

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All Senator Grassley has been proposing are different ways of sweeping the matter under the rug while giving a false impression that some sort of legitimate process took place when, in fact, it's all about confirming Kavanaugh regardless of whether Kavanaugh attempted to rape Christine Blasey Ford when he was drunk as a teenage and is now committing perjury by denying about it...
Let's face it: You appear to think much like Joe Biden does (who recently opined that any accuser of a prominent person--for the crime of sexual misconduct--should automatically be believed). In other words, a guilty until proven innocent standard.

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Pick someone else.
Oh, I can guarantee--although you are surely aware of this--that the Democratic "resistance" would dredge up something (even if it had to fabricate it) to smear another nominee.

Then it would blame President Trump for (supposedly) putting forth one flawed nominee after another.

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Kavanaugh was a flawed pick to begin with even without the very creditable allegations by Dr. Ford.
Leaving aside, for the moment your (rather incredible) claim that Ms. Ford is "creditable" (did you mean credible?), just what else do you consider to be "flawed" from the beginning about Judge Kavanaugh?

One other point--and I have brought this up in another thread; but it has never been answered: If we are to believe that Brett Kavanaugh is a molester, then why is he fit to sit on the second-highest court in the land--but not fit to sit on the highest court? Why do his accusers not start impeachment proceedings against him now?

But I truly doubt that anyone can adequately answer this...
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