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Default Re: Debunked: Being in the country illegally is NOT a victimless crime

Originally Posted by ShivaTD View Post
While it is true that many "illegal" aliens do use US identities, such as Social Security numbers, they don't do so with the nefarious purpose of committing fraud to steal from the American that has that Social Security number. In fact what happens is that the FICA taxes paid to the federal government go to the account of the person with the SSN and can increase their future payments from Social Security at retirement. If the person with that SSN is benefiting from the contribution made by the "illegal" alien's employment then they're not a victim, they're a beneficiary.

When it comes to Crime Statistics the very conservative "libertarian" CATO Institute found that "illegal" aliens committed roughly half the crimes when compared to native born Americans and "legal" aliens committed about one-third of the number of crimes. Immigrants make our neighborhoods safer because they commit fewer crimes.


The "illegal" immigrant does not receive free education or food from our government. They're prohibited from receiving most government welfare benefits. Their children do but their children didn't violate the law. Legal assistance for immigrants, legal or not, is not provided for by our government with the exception of criminal prosecutions where the Constitution requires it. Immigration related cases don't provide legal representation by our government and so any legal services are provided for by private charities.

The opinion is nothing more than rehashed White Supremacy propaganda based upon half-truths mixed with false conclusions to create anti-immigrant prejudice predominately against Hispanic immigrants (lawful and unlawful) today but it's also been used against Muslims. Jews, Asians, blacks, and Catholics historically.

Some counter-acting facts about immigrants.

Immigrants are more likely to start their own business than a native American.

Immigrants on the average, including unlawful immigrants, pay more in Federal, State, and Local taxes than they receive in government benefits.

Immigrants typically fill jobs that native Americans are unwilling to fill because of the labor involved and low pay.

Immigrants create more jobs for native Americans (between 1.8 to over 4 jobs) because of their economic impact than they fill.

Today most "undocumented aliens" enter the United States lawfully and then simply don't leave. These are referred to as visa overstays and account for close to a million people becoming "undocumented" (illegal) aliens each year.
Once again, quit reading after the first line. In it , you attempt to excuse identity theft because they don't intend to use it for nefarious purposes. But you fail to acknowledge that identity theft is still a crime, along with the crime of entering the country illegally. You're just another "the ends justify the means" lefty, incapable of rational thought and unworthy or further debate.
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