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The "generosity of a benevolent society" involves taking money from those who earned it and giving it to those who didn't. That is not generosity; that is theft. Voluntary charitable giving is generosity.
I see the point vernacular here but, splitting hairs on word definition does not help the helpless very well.

It does benefit our nation to have some programs of assistance. We are a large country diverse in population and resources, neither of which are equally distributed. Nor are they usually found to be in place where needed. It makes logical, economic and humane sense to use the central government to efficiently disperse such needed aid where required.

But that "benevolence" is not the same as a Constitutional right of all citizens to receive a stipend of income and services as a civil right. And by extension, that businesses should be required to do so. That is what Bernie Sanders is suggesting. So, I would ask you , please read my comments with respect and in context to the subject at hand.
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That would be due to globalist scum in office who toss the salad of big business. They lowered tariffs enough that it would be profitable enough to exploit dirt cheap labor, lack of worker safety and environmental laws and ship those goods to the US. This enabled countries like China to build up it's military at the expense of American workers. Which will one day be a threat to our country as a whole.

There is almost always both sides at play in business, right? We drive for the short term to maintain allowing the long terms room to play ugly or not

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I see the point vernacular here but, splitting hairs on word definition does not help the helpless very well.

It does benefit our nation to have some programs of assistance. We are a large country diverse in population and resources, neither of which are equally distributed. Nor are they usually found to be in place where needed. It makes logical, economic and humane sense to use the central government to efficiently disperse such needed aid where required.

But that "benevolence" is not the same as a Constitutional right of all citizens to receive a stipend of income and services as a civil right. And by extension, that businesses should be required to do so. That is what Bernie Sanders is suggesting. So, I would ask you , please read my comments with respect and in context to the subject at hand.
I don't know the numbers, but have heard that a huge number of people were pushed on to SS under Obama. I know that my sister, who is in her 60's and has a good job, was being called over and over by people trying to convince her to go on SS. She did have breast cancer 10 years ago, but beat it, and is now very healthy.
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I don't know the numbers, but have heard that a huge number of people were pushed on to SS under Obama. I know that my sister, who is in her 60's and has a good job, was being called over and over by people trying to convince her to go on SS. She did have breast cancer 10 years ago, but beat it, and is now very healthy.
I broke my back at 15. Kept me out of the marines.

I now have COPD.

Consequently, I get frequent solicitations on how to qualify for SSDI.

At71 years of age, I doubt i would qualify. But even when I was much younger, I passed the opportunity. I would much rather be useful and Free.

I get out of bed and meet my crew at 7:00 AM every morning. As a result, they make a living, and so do I. Together, we earn it! SSDI is for someone in true need.
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I broke my back at 15. Kept me out of the marines.

I now have COPD.

Consequently, I get frequent solicitations on how to qualify for SSDI.

At71 years of age, I doubt i would qualify. But even when I was much younger, I passed the opportunity. I would much rather be useful and Free.

I get out of bed and meet my crew at 7:00 AM every morning. As a result, they make a living, and so do I. Together, we earn it! SSDI is for someone in true need.
When I was first diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes, a neighbor of the time asked if I had applied for disability yet. Now mind you, I really liked this neighbor.

My response was "why would I do that? I am still perfectly able to work". His response was 'Debbie (his daughter) as diagnosed a couple of years ago with diabetes so she quit working, collects disability and gets to stay home".

I kept a straight face through it, and responded with 'her choice'. I was never able to look at him the same way again. He was actually promoting the idea.
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I broke my back at 15. Kept me out of the marines.

I now have COPD.

Consequently, I get frequent solicitations on how to qualify for SSDI.

At71 years of age, I doubt i would qualify. But even when I was much younger, I passed the opportunity. I would much rather be useful and Free.

I get out of bed and meet my crew at 7:00 AM every morning. As a result, they make a living, and so do I. Together, we earn it! SSDI is for someone in true need.
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When I was first diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes, a neighbor of the time asked if I had applied for disability yet. Now mind you, I really liked this neighbor.

My response was "why would I do that? I am still perfectly able to work". His response was 'Debbie (his daughter) as diagnosed a couple of years ago with diabetes so she quit working, collects disability and gets to stay home".

I kept a straight face through it, and responded with 'her choice'. I was never able to look at him the same way again. He was actually promoting the idea.
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And lately, it seems some think it is a Constitutional civil right for which the taxpayers must fund..
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I see the point vernacular here but, splitting hairs on word definition does not help the helpless very well.
Our government wasn't founded on the concept of helping the helpless. It was founded to protect life, liberty and property. Forcibly taking from some to give to others isn't benevolent to those whose property is being taken, and it violates the concept of protecting people's property.

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It does benefit our nation to have some programs of assistance.
How does it benefit the productive whose funds are seized by the government to redistribute?

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We are a large country diverse in population and resources, neither of which are equally distributed. Nor are they usually found to be in place where needed.
Our government wasn't instituted to equally distribute anything, and it isn't the government's responsibility to do so.

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It makes logical, economic and humane sense to use the central government to efficiently disperse such needed aid where required.
When an individual steals from another, it is the crime of theft. How does that change when the government does it? It doesn't. Theft is still theft, even if done in the name of charitable aid.

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So, I would ask you , please read my comments with respect and in context to the subject at hand.
I did, and disagree with the use of government force to redistribute what many have worked hard to earn. I wish our congressional representatives saw it the way Davy Crockett did:

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One day in the House of Representatives, a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The Speaker was just about to put the question when Davy Crockett arose:

“Mr. Speaker–I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard that the government was in arrears to him.

Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week’s pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks.”
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I've no issue with welfare programs that serve those whom are truly in need. I have problems with the concept of "positive rights." There is a significant difference between generosity from a benevolent society and making incomes, housing, education and employment a civil right of birth and/or citizenship.
A benevolent society does not need a governmental bureaucracy to forcibly collect and dispense charity.
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