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Old 08-30-2018, 08:49 AM
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by 'little man' I am speaking of the small businessman and the middle class worker who seem to have all of the burden of regulation and taxes on their backs with none of the perks of huge conglomerations.
Wait a minute. You mean all that hype about there being no Middle Class is false???

You really know nothing about regulations, laws and reporting requirements of corporations. Interestingly enough, the administrative burden put on businesses of ALL sizes by a certain "tax" implemented during the last administration exceeds all previous required regulations, laws and reporting requirements by two-fold.

Someday, you may figure out how badly the previous Administration ****ed over employers. And I am not happy that as of yet, this Administration have not been able to relieve that burden.
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And so far in this thread, not one person has supported the idea that perhaps the government (tax payer) shouldn't be providing a single dime to another person.

I'm more inclined to demand that we tax payers stop paying welfare in entirety.
Not my responsibility to provide for stupid people that can't figure out how to earn enough money to feed themselves and their children. I believe in science, like Darwin, survival of the fittest. Let the stupid and weak die. Why are we allowing our gene pool to weaken by supporting the weak and stupid for procreation?
I've no issue with welfare programs that serve those whom are truly in need. I have problems with the concept of "positive rights." There is a significant difference between generosity from a benevolent society and making incomes, housing, education and employment a civil right of birth and/or citizenship.
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There is a significant difference between generosity from a benevolent society and making incomes, housing, education and employment a civil right of birth and/or citizenship.
The "generosity of a benevolent society" involves taking money from those who earned it and giving it to those who didn't. That is not generosity; that is theft. Voluntary charitable giving is generosity.
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I've no issue with welfare programs that serve those whom are truly in need. I have problems with the concept of "positive rights." There is a significant difference between generosity from a benevolent society and making incomes, housing, education and employment a civil right of birth and/or citizenship.
"Government assistance" should be just that...to assist...NOT "do for you"...ASSIST...
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I've no issue with welfare programs that serve those whom are truly in need. I have problems with the concept of "positive rights." There is a significant difference between generosity from a benevolent society and making incomes, housing, education and employment a civil right of birth and/or citizenship.
While I agree with most of this, I have to disagree on the Government being involved to any degree in helping out the less fortunate as that is not in their charter (Constitution). Charity is better left to organizations that are most suited for it (Church, Salvation Army, etc.) Any time you allow the government to be in charge of the money required to take care of people, corruption always follows. It is best to leave them out of it entirely.
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While I agree with most of this, I have to disagree on the Government being involved to any degree in helping out the less fortunate as that is not in their charter (Constitution). Charity is better left to organizations that are most suited for it (Church, Salvation Army, etc.) Any time you allow the government to be in charge of the money required to take care of people, corruption always follows. It is best to leave them out of it entirely.
It gets a little fuzzy when bringing the intent of the Constitution to bear on some of what we need done by our government to be civilized and providing for the "general welfare." No where in the documents does it suggest generally providing welfare programs, but then no where does it prohibit such communal benevolence.

There will always be those who simply cannot perform labor in exchange for compensation with which to survive. And there are those who will not. There is no logical, or even humane justification for treating these two separate populations with equanimnaty. At they the expense of the taxpayers.
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It gets a little fuzzy when bringing the intent of the Constitution to bear on some of what we need done by our government to be civilized and providing for the "general welfare." No where in the documents does it suggest generally providing welfare programs, but then no where does it prohibit such communal benevolence.

There will always be those who simply cannot perform labor in exchange for compensation with which to survive. And there are those who will not. There is no logical, or even humane justification for treating these two separate populations with equanimnaty. At they the expense of the taxpayers.
I have always said that we can take care of the mentally and physically disable in fine fashion. We have plenty of money to do that. But there are too many able bodied people of sound mind that live off the same program.

They are the ones that take money directly from those that actually need it.
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"Government assistance" should be just that...to assist...NOT "do for you"...ASSIST...
A lot of countries have safety nets. Good for people in trouble despite their efforts to be otherwise. That works. What doesn't work is having funds for people who, despite having the opportunity and the ability, refuse to work
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A lot of countries have safety nets. Good for people in trouble despite their efforts to be otherwise. That works. What doesn't work is having funds for people who, despite having the opportunity and the ability, refuse to work
Yep, and they should be forced to do SOMETHING, or be given NOTHING!

Maybe the Bleeding heart people can start their own organization like Catholic Charities. But you will never see that happen, just like you will never see an Atheist Charities.
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I have always said that we can take care of the mentally and physically disable in fine fashion. We have plenty of money to do that. But there are too many able bodied people of sound mind that live off the same program.

They are the ones that take money directly from those that actually need it.
Although it takes time and effort, one needs very little these days, to get on SS disability. Once qualified, you are limited to what you can earn and one month of overage can cost you your rating. So, there is little motivation, and much at risk, if you wish to improve one's situation.

Millions of Americans have allowed themselves to be trapped in that condition. I blame the Gubmit for it. But also those who don't try to get out of it. I have some of those working part time. They won't go full time and often stay home ( leaving us stranded and short of staff) for fear the Gubmit will disqualify their status and their "income"

It's almost enslavement and is most definitely a nightmare for the employee and the employers who try to use the resource. A perfect example of our "government at work" that needs refining.
There are a lot of otherwise capable people living decently by abusing this SS program. It is not fair to the taxpayers or those who truly need the support.
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