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it's not because minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. that's for damned sure.
they are over there because they can contract with a country who locks people in a fire trap for 16 hrs a day at far below 7 dollars an hour
Surprise, Salty, I have no idea what you are talking about.

But if I read you right, you just make my point. When prevailing wage in the US is $15, and your widget can be produced at $7 with less government meddling elsehere, widgets are going to be produced at $7, whether or not US business or a foreign produces the widget.
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it's not because minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. that's for damned sure.
they are over there because they can contract with a country who locks people in a fire trap for 16 hrs a day at far below 7 dollars an hour
This is why companies outsource.It doesn't matter if the minimum wage is 7.25 an hour or 15 an hour. Heck it probably wouldn't even matter if wages were 3 or 4 dollars an hour.If its profitable enough for a company to go to a country where workers can make next to zilch those companies will go there if there is little to no tariffs. We were fine before the WTO,NAFTA, and another acronyms that allow companies to exploit dirt cheap labor in foreign countries. So this talk of a doom and gloom trade war is malarkey invented by globalist scum who toss the salad of big business owners.


I know this article is a little old but this is why companies outsource. No American can compete with that.
http://geography.fullerton.edu/taylo...nawashpost.htm
Li said these factories often require employees to work as many as 80 hours per week during the busy season for $75 to $110 per month, violating Chinese labor laws. If Wal-Mart really wanted to monitor conditions among its suppliers, Li said, it could do so with surprise visits, longer inspections and independent auditors. "But if they did that, prices would definitely go up," he said.
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This is why companies outsource.It doesn't matter if the minimum wage is 7.25 an hour or 15 an hour. Heck it probably wouldn't even matter if wages were 3 or 4 dollars an hour.If its profitable enough for a company to go to a country where workers can make next to zilch those companies will go there if there is little to no tariffs. We were fine before the WTO,NAFTA, and another acronyms that allow companies to exploit dirt cheap labor in foreign countries. So this talk of a doom and gloom trade war is malarkey invented by globalist scum who toss the salad of big business owners.


I know this article is a little old but this is why companies outsource. No American can compete with that.
Chinese Workers Pay for Wal-Mart's Low Prices
Li said these factories often require employees to work as many as 80 hours per week during the busy season for $75 to $110 per month, violating Chinese labor laws. If Wal-Mart really wanted to monitor conditions among its suppliers, Li said, it could do so with surprise visits, longer inspections and independent auditors. "But if they did that, prices would definitely go up," he said.
yes precisely. so all this talk of getting rid of minimum wage is ridiculous. what we need probably is a world wide minimum. not likely to happen, so our best shot till the economy rolls again and maybe there's real reform, is to keep what we have raising it incremental every year
the only reason most things are expensive is oil the monopolies. and yes huge corporations could take a loss and revamp. it would be more humane than slowly degrading the population.
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You are right, this country isn't a slave state. People agree to work for the wages they receive.
You are right, Bezos isn't in 1836 Georgia, he is in 2018 Seattle.
Bezos' income is irrelevant. If you don't like the way he is doing things, you can do them differently. See, that is the great thing about the USA, you can open your own business that competes with Amazon, pay people better than Amazon does, take all his employees and customers from him, and drive him out of business with your superior business skills, all while paying your employees a living wage or better. All you have to do is figure out a better business model.

Now me personally, I kind of prefer to just collect my salary from my job and invest in the companies that have figured out the better business model to grow my wealth. Oh, and I take some time to improve my skills so I can earn a living wage. That job I had at Burger King when I was 17 just didn't quite pay a living wage so I made changes.
I actually did just that. I worked for other people in my industry, and 15 years ago I started a company and began competing with them, and now I have the best boss in the world . I started life as a paperboy at 11, At 16 it was KFC. At 17 I went into the Air Force.

You are absolutely right Bat To many people get lazy about their life and career, than they blame others while consistently making bad choices throughout their life.
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That's up to you. Does your brother make wise choices? Do they know how to live within their means?
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You are right, this country isn't a slave state. People agree to work for the wages they receive.
You are right, Bezos isn't in 1836 Georgia, he is in 2018 Seattle.
Bezos' income is irrelevant. If you don't like the way he is doing things, you can do them differently. See, that is the great thing about the USA, you can open your own business that competes with Amazon, pay people better than Amazon does, take all his employees and customers from him, and drive him out of business with your superior business skills, all while paying your employees a living wage or better. All you have to do is figure out a better business model.

Now me personally, I kind of prefer to just collect my salary from my job and invest in the companies that have figured out the better business model to grow my wealth. Oh, and I take some time to improve my skills so I can earn a living wage. That job I had at Burger King when I was 17 just didn't quite pay a living wage so I made changes.
that model is not attainable anymore fore the bulk of striving Americans
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I actually did just that. I worked for other people in my industry, and 15 years ago I started a company and began competing with them, and now I have the best boss in the world . I started life as a paperboy at 11, At 16 it was KFC. At 17 I went into the Air Force.

You are absolutely right Bat To many people get lazy about their life and career, than they blame others while consistently making bad choices throughout their life.
Things changed and all the helpful boosts you didn't know were there disappeared.
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That's up to you. Does your brother make wise choices? Do they know how to live within their means?
Please understand the vast majority of disenfranchised workers slipping further from the American dream are not ner do wells. If we do happen to help some junkies kid eat in the mix, we'll just have to live with that horror.
prices up, wages down for years
years
if you don't want to at the very least raise minimum wage how about we do some badly needed infrastructure spending? And regulate mortgage banks and oil companies.
something I thought I'd never hear myself say is oil prices should be regulated now at this late stage of economic ravegery.
Instead we applaud more deregulating of exhaust so that -hey we can poison people who are already struggling and put them out of their misery.
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that model is not attainable anymore fore the bulk of striving Americans

Things changed and all the helpful boosts you didn't know were there disappeared.


Please understand the vast majority of disenfranchised workers slipping further from the American dream are not ner do wells. If we do happen to help some junkies kid eat in the mix, we'll just have to live with that horror.
prices up, wages down for years
years
if you don't want to at the very least raise minimum wage how about we do some badly needed infrastructure spending? And regulate mortgage banks and oil companies.
something I thought I'd never hear myself say is oil prices should be regulated now at this late stage of economic ravegery.
Instead we applaud more deregulating of exhaust so that -hey we can poison people who are already struggling and put them out of their misery.
What part of that is not available?
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no he's painting a future picture that robber barons and those they've duped might want to thinking about
No, he's deflecting from the point that there are such things as entry level jobs vs. jobs that are suitable to support a family. Not all jobs are created equal.

If someone does not feel that they are making enough money working at Amazon, unlike actual slaves, they are free to pursue careers at other places of business. It is up to the individual to manage their careers and their income level, through education, training or any other method to make themselves more marketable. It is not the responsibility of employers to ensure that workers are making enough money to support their chosen lifestyles.
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that model is not attainable anymore fore the bulk of striving Americans

Things changed and all the helpful boosts you didn't know were there disappeared.


Please understand the vast majority of disenfranchised workers slipping further from the American dream are not ner do wells. If we do happen to help some junkies kid eat in the mix, we'll just have to live with that horror.
prices up, wages down for years
years
if you don't want to at the very least raise minimum wage how about we do some badly needed infrastructure spending? And regulate mortgage banks and oil companies.
something I thought I'd never hear myself say is oil prices should be regulated now at this late stage of economic ravegery.
Instead we applaud more deregulating of exhaust so that -hey we can poison people who are already struggling and put them out of their misery.


What the hell are you talking about? The model or ( prescription ) for success, is still there, but you have to follow it, not just expect it to happen to you.

People can achieve whatever they want if they are willing to make good choices everyday and work smart.

I don't know what you mean by helpful boosts, I have never received help from family or government, and I didn't go to college, But I did spend 8 years in the military working my ass off.

The fact remains, if you put your mind to something and work toward it everyday, you can achieve anything you want in this country.

I do believe some kids have been dumbed down thanks to the Public school system and bad parenting, but even those things can be reversed if people put in the required effort.

EFFORT = SUCCESS........ NON EFFORT = FAILURE....... These truths will never change.
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What the hell are you talking about? The model or ( prescription ) for success, is still there, but you have to follow it, not just expect it to happen to you.

People can achieve whatever they want if they are willing to make good choices everyday and work smart.

I don't know what you mean by helpful boosts, I have never received help from family or government, and I didn't go to college, But I did spend 8 years in the military working my ass off.

The fact remains, if you put your mind to something and work toward it everyday, you can achieve anything you want in this country.

I do believe some kids have been dumbed down thanks to the Public school system and bad parenting, but even those things can be reversed if people put in the required effort.

EFFORT = SUCCESS........ NON EFFORT = FAILURE....... These truths will never change.
IMO you have far more opportunity today than ever before. You can start an internet company for a couple hundred bucks and sell your product world wide. Need college? Funds are available from dozens of sources. A better mouse trap? VC are everywhere and stand ready with funds and expertise. My brother is a published author. Nobody bought his book, but it got published and sold on Amazon.
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