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Old 08-24-2018, 03:34 PM
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By all means let the businesses pay starvation wages, just don't ask the government for anything like maintaining roads or implementing any kind of projection that stops utilities from jacking up their bills as they see fit. Oh and don't ask the police for protection when their workers form lynch mobs and kill the owners of those businesses.
Not quite sure where your are coming from on this, or where you are going, either, but what exactly do you call 'starvation' wages?

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The average Amazon.com salary ranges from approximately $28,886 per year for Sales Associate to $147,578 per year for Senior Account Executive.
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Browse Amazon.com Salaries by Job Title →. Amazon.com Warehouse Associates earn $26,000 annually, or $13 per hour, which is 4% higher than the national average for all Warehouse Associates at $25,000 annually
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By all means let the businesses pay starvation wages, just don't ask the government for anything like maintaining roads or implementing any kind of projection that stops utilities from jacking up their bills as they see fit. Oh and don't ask the police for protection when their workers form lynch mobs and kill the owners of those businesses.
Businesses by and large pay market wages. If you need 100 qualified workers and 50 show up at the offered compensation, then you raise your offer. Nothing to do with how you eat.

I have no idea what pot holes have to do with minimum wage.
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So now the employer is responsible for making sure the employee has enough money support their lifestyle?

Let's see, what is the basic cost of living in NYC?
What is the basic cost of living in BFE, Kentucky?

Cadillac versus 10 year old Mazda. 2 bedroom apartment versus 3 bedroom house. WalMart jeans versus haute couture.

At what point is someone else not responsible for a persons level of living?

Not a slave state? Exactly what do you think would happen to businesses with more than 500 employees, as Bernie's proposal would demand? How long before that 'living wage' causes inflation, and it no longer has the buying power that it did when it first was instituted, and people are back to the same place they were before?
If Government is going to force businesses to provide a "Living Wage" then Government will have to force those people to live within their means.

I know people here in Las Vegas that are constantly complaining that they can't afford this or that, but they can afford to gamble, eat out every night, drink and buy pot.
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If Government is going to force businesses to provide a "Living Wage" then Government will have to force those people to live within their means.

I know people here in Las Vegas that are constantly complaining that they can't afford this or that, but they can afford to gamble, eat out every night, drink and buy pot.
A very valid point.
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Businesses by and large pay market wages. If you need 100 qualified workers and 50 show up at the offered compensation, then you raise your offer. Nothing to do with how you eat.

I have no idea what pot holes have to do with minimum wage.
I only posted that because the way that you and others are posting it seems like you don't want to the Government to "Interfere" in things like how they treat their employees.

As far as what is a "Living Wage" is up for debate, which is what we are doing.
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And if you decide to open a business, by all means pay your employees whatever you are comfortable with, or market rate, whichever you prefer, or both.

Government has no business in business. And conversely, the purpose of business is not to act as a social arm of government. Why is that so difficult to understand?
civil society has a responsibility to protect people from a situation where conglomerates raise prices of sustainability extremely high while simultaneously lowering most consumer earnings. or from taking unfair advantage of former government over site as when unions were busted.

Two questions, Salty:

Do you have any idea what a slave is? Hint: It's not someone who voluntarily accepts a wage offered. And 2:
it is also a person who lives in the above society
Do you have any idea why US jobs are going elsewhere? Hint #2: It's not because US minimum wage is too low.
it's not because minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. that's for damned sure.
they are over there because they can contract with a country who locks people in a fire trap for 16 hrs a day at far below 7 dollars an hour
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I can see that you are not interested in actual debate, just wild, hysterical speculation.
no he's painting a future picture that robber barons and those they've duped might want to thinking about
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So now the employer is responsible for making sure the employee has enough money support their lifestyle?

Let's see, what is the basic cost of living in NYC?
What is the basic cost of living in BFE, Kentucky?

Cadillac versus 10 year old Mazda. 2 bedroom apartment versus 3 bedroom house. WalMart jeans versus haute couture.

At what point is someone else not responsible for a persons level of living?

Not a slave state? Exactly what do you think would happen to businesses with more than 500 employees, as Bernie's proposal would demand? How long before that 'living wage' causes inflation, and it no longer has the buying power that it did when it first was instituted, and people are back to the same place they were before?
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Not quite sure where your are coming from on this, or where you are going, either, but what exactly do you call 'starvation' wages?
The average Amazon.com salary ranges from approximately $28,886 per year for Sales Associate which is 350 bucks a week after taxes for a single person to $147,578 per year for Senior Account Executive.
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Browse Amazon.com Salaries by Job Title →. Amazon.com Warehouse Associates earn $26,000 annually, or $13 per hour, which is 4% higher than the national average for all Warehouse Associates at $25,000 annually
or 325 dollars a week after taxes.
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If you have that kind of income, I believe you should pay your employees a living wage. How we got off the track of owning that I don't know, but this country is not a slave state. And Bezos is not the owner of a plantation in 1836 Georgia. So let's get real here.
You are right, this country isn't a slave state. People agree to work for the wages they receive.
You are right, Bezos isn't in 1836 Georgia, he is in 2018 Seattle.
Bezos' income is irrelevant. If you don't like the way he is doing things, you can do them differently. See, that is the great thing about the USA, you can open your own business that competes with Amazon, pay people better than Amazon does, take all his employees and customers from him, and drive him out of business with your superior business skills, all while paying your employees a living wage or better. All you have to do is figure out a better business model.

Now me personally, I kind of prefer to just collect my salary from my job and invest in the companies that have figured out the better business model to grow my wealth. Oh, and I take some time to improve my skills so I can earn a living wage. That job I had at Burger King when I was 17 just didn't quite pay a living wage so I made changes.
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